NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

to go back to emerald in case I was wrong about Slandaar*

[Huntress]

Vote Count 2.1

Albert B. Rampage (5) - emogirl123, Nobody Special, Zdenek, Matias, Aegor

Not voting (12) - Albert B. Rampage, Bulbazak, Chevre, emeraldemon, inHimshallibe, Garmr, kabooooom, OhGodMyLife, Sotty7, The Fonz, Thor665, Zekrom25


With seventeen players alive, it takes nine votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Friday, 21st February 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-02-21 20:00:00)).

Note:

kabooooom is V/LA until Mon 9th Feb.

[Thor665]

to go back to emerald in case I was wrong about Slandaar*

Hey, Albert, what's up with all this scummy play I hear you did Day 1?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It wouldn't be the first time Slandaar has screwed town over, Thor.

[inHimshallibe]

I don't think a BG would push with such conviction on Day 1. There's no advantage to being so blatantly wrong.

Albert's town imo.

[inHimshallibe]

Consider a BG's attitude for a vanilla game - you have to manage X days with your reads. Throw it in the garbage on Day 1? I think not.

[Thor665]

It wouldn't be the first time Slandaar has screwed town over, Thor.

Oh cry me a river, Al, you practically try to hand scum a mislynch every time you're town and then whine that it is other town player's faults for lynching you ignoring that multiple town across multiple games find you scummy (hint: they're not *all* bad players )

What's your read on inHimshallibe?

Also, do you think your wagon is scum driven or annoyed town driven?

[inHimshallibe]

And yes, I'm clearly aware of Albert's playstyle. Judgment stands.

[Zekrom25]

Unvote, vote Slandaar

regardless you still voted against town

Vote: ABR

[inHimshallibe]

Unvote, vote Slandaar

regardless you still voted against town

Vote: ABR

I think 9 other people did too, mang. Including your vote for Slandaar, at one point.

[The Fonz]

A few pages ago, both Slandaar and ABR were wall dueling with each other. Then both of them just stopped voting each other and started voting for the growing wagon, emeraldemon. It reeked of scum on both sides, so when Slandaar turned up town, I figured there's no way in hell both are town from that.

The problem with this is that that looks like a relational tell - they were faking the argument. Now we know they weren't, it loses power. Given that Slandaar flipped town, we know it's at least possible a town player would move to vote a new wagon with the person they were attacking. Also, note that ABR moved first: I don't see how a town player changing their vote subsequently to you doing it makes you scum. You need much more analysis before I even begin to think about buying 'Slandaar, who Albert was arguing with, moving onto the same wagon as Albert makes ABR scum.'

Chevre becomes moderately more town simply because I'm still alive.

[Matias]

A few pages ago, both Slandaar and ABR were wall dueling with each other. Then both of them just stopped voting each other and started voting for the growing wagon, emeraldemon. It reeked of scum on both sides, so when Slandaar turned up town, I figured there's no way in hell both are town from that.

The problem with this is that that looks like a relational tell - they were faking the argument. Now we know they weren't, it loses power. Given that Slandaar flipped town, we know it's at least possible a town player would move to vote a new wagon with the person they were attacking. Also, note that ABR moved first: I don't see how a town player changing their vote subsequently to you doing it makes you scum. You need much more analysis before I even begin to think about buying 'Slandaar, who Albert was arguing with, moving onto the same wagon as Albert makes ABR scum.'

Chevre becomes moderately more town simply because I'm still alive.

I'm getting more context, especially now that ABR had pointed out that he voted emerald earlier on.

Unvote

[Thor665]

@The Fonz - yours is the first post that feels clearly townish. Talk to me here, what are your thoughts on the gamestate now and/or yesterday. I'd like some context but will admit I'm far too lazy to actually read the whole game to get it.

[Chevre]

This ABR wagon is creepily quick; at first glance it feels like people know something this quick probably won't be the actual lynch and so scum are bussing ABR. But that still makes him scum?

Also I don't get why people are replacing into games if they aren't going to read the game? That meta needs to stop; you aren't really being helpful if you replace in and don't read, you're just looking the part.

I'm going to look at yessiree and the end-of-day wagons a bit more in-depth later tonight.

[Thor665]

Also I don't get why people are replacing into games if they aren't going to read the game? That meta needs to stop; you aren't really being helpful if you replace in and don't read, you're just looking the part.

Well...first off, I'm pretty sure I started that meta.
Second off, I'll admit, besides me, I've never seen anyone else do it.

Third off - what part of the game that's important do you feel I'm missing by not reading Day 1?

[Garmr]

Hey Thor I didn't like Brian skies that much yesterday can you show me what yah got. Also It's curious how ABR was found real scummy for yesterday when Brian skies did the same thing as him.


My Eyes at the momment
Brian/thor lynch >Abr

VOTE: Thor

[Matias]

This ABR wagon is creepily quick; at first glance it feels like people know something this quick probably won't be the actual lynch and so scum are bussing ABR. But that still makes him scum?

Also I don't get why people are replacing into games if they aren't going to read the game? That meta needs to stop; you aren't really being helpful if you replace in and don't read, you're just looking the part.

I'm going to look at yessiree and the end-of-day wagons a bit more in-depth later tonight.

Are you talking about me?

It's a 40 page game, dude.

[Sotty7]

Unvote, vote Slandaar

regardless you still voted against town

Vote: ABR

Are you sure you want to play this game? You're setting an incredibly high standard that I'm sure not even you can live up to.

emo what do you think of Zekrom now?

Garmr, Skies was pretty awful most of the day but what did you think about his reasoning for voting Slandaar when he finally gave it? Thor can be a positive player for this game and I'd rather give him a little time to look town before I am willing to lynch him again.

Getting some bad juju about Zdenek again which probably has a lot to do with his voting record. I just looked back and he does have logic for the ABR which runs along the same lines Matias but Fonz's #985 is a pretty nice breakdown of that particular tell in this game. I don't know, I guess I feel the ABR vote is kinda a cop out at this point. An easy vote. I need to look back again when I get some time to put names to faces with the replacements.

[Thor665]

Hey Thor I didn't like Brian skies that much yesterday can you show me what yah got.

Why was Brian scummy in your mind?

Also, why, if Brian/ABR did the same thing, would you rather vote me than ABR?

[Bulbazak]

Read the deadmen's ISOs.

First, NKs are a big mess of WIFOM, so I'm not going to use 1 kill to justify lynching anyone. Second, Slandaar self-hammered. Any credibility he might have had is gone after that (and I didn't feel he had much in the first place), since he essentially played against his own wincon.

Unvote, vote Slandaar

regardless you still voted against town

Vote: ABR

The crap? What kind of reasoning is this?

Vote Emogirl123

This is still scum. I'll examine the rest of the ABR wagon later.

[Zekrom25]

good plan has to be town

FoS Emogirl123

[Bulbazak]

You're not making any sense.

[Zekrom25]

FoS Emogirl1 - Finger of Suspicion on Emogirl1

[Bulbazak]

I know what FoS is. I just don't know what this:

good plan has to be town

has to do with anything.

[emogirl123]

emo what do you think of Zekrom now?

Don't know. I find players like Zekrom to be terribly hard to read. Maestro is always scum.