Mini 1552 - Paranoia [GAME OVER]

[shos]

Vote: Empking

At this stage?

Vote: zMuffinMan

Prod dodge.

NS, do you have some sort of PR?

Are you fucking kidding me?

By PR, of course, I meant "Post restriction". Sorry, should have been more clear. I'm just trying to figure out the whole "prod dodge" thing.

Nope. My vote is happy where it is.

Any reason?

Vote: Muffin

::goodposting::

Vote: Muffin

What do you think of the Kovera wagon.

It's fucking atrocious, mostly because it's not a Muffin wagon.

Vote: Muffin

What do you think of the Kovera wagon.

It's fucking atrocious, mostly because it's not a Muffin wagon.

What makes muffin the premium lynch in your eyes.

Well, generally, being scum is what makes someone a premium lynch.

This guy is supposed to be good at scum? Please.

you probably wouldn't be reading me as scum if i actually were scum

This is like

The actual literal definition of WIFOM

The actual literal definition

"I only play shitty and scummy if I'm town!"

Can we just lynch this motherfucker?

Because I'm slow, I guess, and thus I don't really get why there's a wagon on Muffin. Feel free to explain it.

Dessaw, read the above post. Seriously. That's what he calls content. Oh, and voting for the moderator. And whining that I'm scum and LLD is a bad player, because that must be why we have a scum read on him!

He's just blatantly attacking everyone voting for him, and trolling. Fucking lynch players doing that, Dessaw. That's how you nail scum.

Everyone should explain in their next post why they're not voting Muffin.

So here's the thing.

I had no reason at all to vote muffin, I did that for pressure. but these two, lambdadelta and greyice, they're pushing it so seriously one might think muffin's actually done something.

VOTE: greyice

about PrivateI: there's no way scum would do that. no way. going to call that one town.

[shos]

Vote: Empking

At this stage?

Vote: zMuffinMan

Prod dodge.

NS, do you have some sort of PR?

Are you fucking kidding me?

By PR, of course, I meant "Post restriction". Sorry, should have been more clear. I'm just trying to figure out the whole "prod dodge" thing.

Nope. My vote is happy where it is.

Any reason?

Vote: Muffin

::goodposting::

Vote: Muffin

What do you think of the Kovera wagon.

It's fucking atrocious, mostly because it's not a Muffin wagon.

Vote: Muffin

What do you think of the Kovera wagon.

It's fucking atrocious, mostly because it's not a Muffin wagon.

What makes muffin the premium lynch in your eyes.

Well, generally, being scum is what makes someone a premium lynch.

This guy is supposed to be good at scum? Please.

you probably wouldn't be reading me as scum if i actually were scum

This is like

The actual literal definition of WIFOM

The actual literal definition

"I only play shitty and scummy if I'm town!"

Can we just lynch this motherfucker?

Because I'm slow, I guess, and thus I don't really get why there's a wagon on Muffin. Feel free to explain it.

Dessaw, read the above post. Seriously. That's what he calls content. Oh, and voting for the moderator. And whining that I'm scum and LLD is a bad player, because that must be why we have a scum read on him!

He's just blatantly attacking everyone voting for him, and trolling. Fucking lynch players doing that, Dessaw. That's how you nail scum.

Everyone should explain in their next post why they're not voting Muffin.

So here's the thing.

I had no reason at all to vote muffin, I did that for pressure. but these two, lambdadelta and greyice, they're pushing it so seriously one might think muffin's actually done something.

VOTE: greyice

about PrivateI: there's no way scum would do that. no way. going to call that one town.

[shos]

those VCs, those doublevotes, those lots of things. I don't get it.

Bastard bastard mod.

Dopog and MTD look town.
'

I have to say that post 199's second paragraph (link) is precisely 'the literal definition of wifom' - to put it in GreyICE's words of some posts earlier..

[shos]

post 208 is plain wrong.
Grey, gimme a link to where this 'tell' served you well, please.

for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.

[shos]

and hey, re: post 213? if you ACTUALLY FUCKING LOOKED AT THE VOTECOUNT you would see that in that VC I am voting BOTH KOVARA AND MUFFIN. something is wrong there. something is fishy. you make no sense; that wagon was there first.

alright greyice your posts really make no sense and I have no idea what is it that you are trying to do.

[GreyICE]

post 208 is plain wrong.
Grey, gimme a link to where this 'tell' served you well, please.

for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.

Are you serious

Subject: Mini 1156 - Game over!

I'm going to go out on a huge limb here...

UNVOTE: Silavor
VOTE: GreyMarble

Haven't felt it prior to that post, but I got a massive Serial Killer vibe from it. I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it, but I think it's where he implied that if Ion were NKed, that would conclusively prove that the killer was a Vig, despite the fact that games with multiple one-shot vigs aren't especially rare.

I'm well aware that I'm

jumping

leaping to a conclusion, but I'm learning to just go with my gut when it yells at me.

Right here.

See that post?

That post right there got pine killed.

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3030054]
Pine was lynched
He was a [/color]

Mafia Rolecop

[/i][/quote]

See that tell Shos?

It's a damn good one.

Now tell me Shos, why would Muffin do that? Why would he all of a sudden start speculating about lynchers?

[zMuffinMan]

i explained why i speculated about the possibility you're a lyncher. i don't think i can make it much clearer than i did in 218

[GreyICE]

i explained why i speculated about the possibility you're a lyncher. i don't think i can make it much clearer than i did in 218

... This post?

the reason i'm considering all options for players that i think might have an anti-town win con is because that would necessarily conflict with my own.

i thought you could be a lyncher because your argument on me looked like you were deliberately misrepresenting everything i was saying <- i'm not sure if you'd do this as factional scum, it's risky because of the backlash you'll receive if you do manage to lynch me. lyncher makes sense for that reason. or you could just be really cocky and think you can talk your way out of any trouble you get into for pushing my lynch through on a really shitty basis.

"Oh my, the anti-town win conditions that all conflict with my own, yup yup."

Hey muffin. I've got a really easy explanation of why I want to lynch you.

I THINK YOU'RE SCUM.

You're the one trying to invent third party factions I could be a part of.

[PrivateI]

I'm actually getting sold on GreyICE's "tell". It's something that I've seen, and quite honestly, done in off-site games. Is it conclusive? No.

With that in mind, and with the promise of future, more in-depth examinations of Muffin and shos specifically,

VOTE: Muffin

[zMuffinMan]

@greyice

OK. but your reasons for thinking i'm scum are really weak (or just blatantly wrong). and i think you know they're weak/wrong, but you don't care. and so i'm trying to figure out why you either don't care or you're ignorant of this.

so the options i see are:
- you're town and you don't realise that you're wrong, and that your reasoning is really flimsy
- you're factional scum and you're cocky enough to think you can deal with any back lash you'll receive if you actually push my lynch through for flimsy reasons
- you're some other type of scum that's playing the way you're playing because you have a personal agenda you're pushing

and options two and three are far more likely than the first.

[zMuffinMan]

Is it conclusive? No.

and yet you're "getting sold" on it. why?

[Dessew]

The wagon on Muffin makes sense to me now, with these explanations both from Greyice and Lambdadelta told. I'm posting from my phone, and I won't look up the votes now, if it's L-1, consider this to be an

intent to hammer

. I still don't like Korava, but we have time for that.

Shos: have you tried unvoting?

[zMuffinMan]

The wagon on Muffin makes sense to me now, with these explanations both from Greyice and Lambdadelta

uh huh

i'm interested in hearing which points you agree with from them

[Antihero]

shos, the last vote count is in error. I shouldn't have had you voting Kovara.

[Antihero]

Vote Count 1.3

dopog - 1 (Kovara)
GreyICE - 3 (zMuffinMan, MTD, shos)
Kovara - 2 (Garmr, Dessew)
MTD - 1 (dopog)
zMuffinMan - 4 (GreyICE, LadyLambdadelta, Nobody Special, PrivateI)

Not Voting: No one

6 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-03 14:56:14).

Still looking for a replacement for NS.

[shos]

that amkes more sense.

I have yet to see just one single reason to think that muffin is scum.
@Grey: why would muffin say that? because you seem to be dead-streaight-up wanting to lynch him with no reason at all. makes sense.

[GreyICE]

that amkes more sense.

I have yet to see just one single reason to think that muffin is scum.
@Grey: why would muffin say that? because you seem to be dead-streaight-up wanting to lynch him with no reason at all. makes sense.

Hey shos, did you read the game I linked you to?

[zMuffinMan]

are you saying that every time someone mentions a third party they're scum? or are you saying that it's happened at least once before, and so i'm scum here because ~magic~?

[GreyICE]

I'm talking to shos, Muffin.

Why do you feel such a need to answer for him?

[shos]

are you saying that every time someone mentions a third party they're scum? or are you saying that it's happened at least once before, and so

muffin is

scum here because ~magic~?

[shos]

for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.

Also..

[Kovara]

I'm actually getting sold on GreyICE's "tell". It's something that I've seen, and quite honestly, done in off-site games. Is it conclusive? No.

With that in mind, and with the promise of future, more in-depth examinations of Muffin and shos specifically,

VOTE: Muffin

another vulture!

The wagon on Muffin makes sense to me now, with these explanations both from Greyice and Lambdadelta told. I'm posting from my phone, and I won't look up the votes now, if it's L-1, consider this to be an

intent to hammer

. I still don't like Korava, but we have time for that.

Shos: have you tried unvoting?

...

so many uncublike words running through my head

for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.

Also..

that doesn't work because you stated it after he explained it you silly lion you

[Kovara]

I am also not at all fond of lynching anyone before the (what I assume to be) the major mechanic gets to come into play. I think cops are a pro-town faction, kinda

and, all I see is a flailing muffin, and I'm not really fond of most of his scum-tells at all. like, honestly, I think LLD's scum-muffin points are more alluring than Grey's one

Privates vote, and Dessew's vote in spirit are really turning me off

[Kovara]

-quote snip-

But that preferred role thing has a lot of flaws in it. First off it depends on personality type some people the alignment doesn't really effect them much, others would get nervous that they would fuck up their start, people would known what you were trying to do and played around it, hell those are the variables I could come up with in my head. The better bet would of been to ask a series of question that slightly link to each other for more information.

Also you seem to attacking at low hanging fruit which isn't the lion way your more like a hyena going after a injured lambs

I'm no... I'm no Hyena

and, they could very well be huge wolves pretending to be injured lambs!

and, I only like to chase bad guys and none of the strong players seem like such except for maybe muffin but he has more than enough heat coming his way, he doesn't need more

Also he made pretty stupid cases on Dessew and dopog, that are illogical at best.

(does not have a case on Dopog)

not one that is visible at least, for all you know I could be thinking he is bad because he is a dog and I am a cat and we are always fighting!

this does prove, though that you aren't really reading my posts and are assuming that I have actually made cases

I don't really even have one presented on Dessew, but hey what I do have is top notch!

Dopog- I don't like his reluctance to answer a simple question, overly paranoid as if he is scared that I might use this information against him... something that is almost exclusive to scum and has been reactive thus far. very likely scum

This can be taken as a small case but the point is you do think depog is scum why say I didn't make a case on depog when you obviously commented on him?

because an off comment does not make a case, especially one that is done from a reads list?

Kovara - I dunno what to say. If you're gonna call me scum based off a response to a question and not even give thought to why I wouldn't answer it + respond to it like that then it kinda demotivates....
Like I really dunno what to say to that - it looks like you've gone auto-scum on me and quite frankly that sux because I have reasons for doing what I do and you're not even thinking bout them.

and you're going to talk to me like I'm maybe town while thinking I'm scum?

[Kovara]

-quote snip-

But that preferred role thing has a lot of flaws in it. First off it depends on personality type some people the alignment doesn't really effect them much, others would get nervous that they would fuck up their start, people would known what you were trying to do and played around it, hell those are the variables I could come up with in my head. The better bet would of been to ask a series of question that slightly link to each other for more information.

Also you seem to attacking at low hanging fruit which isn't the lion way your more like a hyena going after a injured lambs

I'm no... I'm no Hyena

and, they could very well be huge wolves pretending to be injured lambs!

and, I only like to chase bad guys and none of the strong players seem like such except for maybe muffin but he has more than enough heat coming his way, he doesn't need more

Also he made pretty stupid cases on Dessew and dopog, that are illogical at best.

(does not have a case on Dopog)

not one that is visible at least, for all you know I could be thinking he is bad because he is a dog and I am a cat and we are always fighting!

this does prove, though that you aren't really reading my posts and are assuming that I have actually made cases

I don't really even have one presented on Dessew, but hey what I do have is top notch!

Dopog- I don't like his reluctance to answer a simple question, overly paranoid as if he is scared that I might use this information against him... something that is almost exclusive to scum and has been reactive thus far. very likely scum

This can be taken as a small case but the point is you do think depog is scum why say I didn't make a case on depog when you obviously commented on him?

because an off comment does not make a case, especially one that is done from a reads list?

Kovara - I dunno what to say. If you're gonna call me scum based off a response to a question and not even give thought to why I wouldn't answer it + respond to it like that then it kinda demotivates....
Like I really dunno what to say to that - it looks like you've gone auto-scum on me and quite frankly that sux because I have reasons for doing what I do and you're not even thinking bout them.

and you're going to talk to me like I'm maybe town while thinking I'm scum?