NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Huntress]

Vote Count 2.11

Nobody Special (3) - The Fonz, emeraldemon, Albert B. Rampage
Aegor (2) - Bulbazak, Thor665
Bulbazak (2) - inHimshallibe, Garmr
Albert B. Rampage (1) - Nobody Special
Nero Cain (1) - Zekrom25
Zdenek (1) - Sotty7
Sotty7 (1) - HighShroomish
inHimshallibe (1) - Zdenek
Zekrom25 (1) - Aegor
HighShroomish (1) - Nero Cain

Not voting (3) - Chevre, kabooooom, Matias


With seventeen players alive, it takes nine votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Friday, 21st February 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-02-21 20:00:00)).

Note:

Still looking for a replacement for Zekrom25.
Thor665 is V/LA from 18th to 21st Feb.

[Zdenek]

Check out this post by town-bulbazak, and the ensuing argument.

Look!

Really? Then what was this about, paying attention to

YOUR

bolded.

Calling someone scum =/=

searching for evidence to find someone scummy

.

Look!

At that misrep too!

Searching for reasons to find someone scummy

is kinda the point of the game as town, yes?

THIS happened before the misread. I thought that you said that reasons were not the same as evidence in response to this. My point is that you were

searching

for reasons to call a person scum, rather than try to figure out who scum are. Those are 2 completely different processes. You responded by saying that "calling someone scum =/= searching for evidence to find someone scummy.", which had nothing to do with my point, and I showed that what you called a "misrep"

you had actually said

. That's why I thought you said "reasons is not the same as evidence", because that would be the only argument you could say to refute me. My point stands. You were searching for reasons to call someone scum, rather than actually trying to find scum via scumhunting. That is scum motivation. Plain and simple.

[Sotty7]

I'm worried about Fonz and Sotty because they are both capable players who have decided to be rather pathetic in this game.

This is pretty fair at me right now. I am off work tomorrow so I will get to actually reading stuff.

[Garmr]

@garmr
What is your read on nobody special?

Null to null town This is basic NS but I can see little town sparks like in post 1355 and post 1174.

Little rant here

This game is personal to me very personal. I have to explain this very closely I have had a couple of games with brian skies recently and I feel like I can read him as well as I read desperado. (which is pretty good). I have experienced many moods of brian proactive brian ,frustrated brian and lazy retarded brian and every time I have came down with accurate read for him (except lazy brian he was a null but I didn't feel anything scummy from him so I didn't bother) . Most of the time he has scum read me and has fucked over towns chances of winning multiple times.

(I outed pretty much the whole scum team in one with a fake day vig on peacebringer also scum read banksy and null-scum on peacewhich I didn't really as hard as I should of.) and we could of won viscon desert kingdoms if he had pushed my scum read instead of derping with the incompetent (when it comes to set up only) as elyse on the set up. I had nailed every scum that game and my night plays were brilliant (said by fake god not me). my town win ratio should be 50/50 by brian skies is the sole reason it's 1win/5loses.


So when I found something that was off with his meta signs that he was scum I was so fucking happy. I made sure to question in case of bias because even I am pissed of with the player brian skies (not as a person he is great guy in rl) I would never throw a game because of it. I've looked at it from every angle fuck even his replaced out which is something town Brian wouldn't do even if he was lazy.

Pedit

That's not really arguing with a real player waynegg is retarded and shouldn't really be playing on this site as he is anti town as fuck.
(His the only wanka I don't like on the site at a personal level.)

[emeraldemon]

I dunno, maybe you want revenge on Brian and it is clouding your reads.

[Garmr]

No I took a step back and thought about it for a while and that's why I didn't jump straight in.

[Zdenek]

Could you link a couple of games?

[HighShroomish]

Alright, just finished 42. Right now, I'm wondering why Chevre wasn't lynched yesterday, and why there are people going after ED, and why the fuck was Slandaar really lynched. Lurking? Because ABR said so? Ugh. I'll be back in the morning...

[Sotty7]

@Sotty - how would you feel about a shift to Inhim?

I'm asking because I'll admit to a gut town on Zdenek right now. I could possibly even swing over to a Nobody at this stage because...meh, I don't really have a take there one way or the other and I like that better than ABR or Zdenek as a lynch choice.

I could possibly switch to inhim, mostly because he replaced the terrible Goodfather, but it would be a apathetic vote for sure. AKA I'm not keen on doing right now.

EDIT: This has actually changed since I just saw deadline is this Friday, which kinda sneaked up on me. But I would like to do my reading first.

I have been clamoring for votes on Zekrom, kabooom, and NS for some time now. No traction AT ALL, except a little on NS. And now I am at four or five votes in like a page? Come on. Why do you think that is?

I don't remember any of this clamoring at all.

@Sotty7

Well I'm not lynching you. I had a relatively strong scum read on Skies but everything is reading green when I see your posts, you're a town read.

Aegor is being pretty terrible, his whole bluster of clamoring for votes is not exactly how I remember it. If anything he has blown with the wind, changing his vote on a whim and going with the flow of the town. His vote on you is the first one that didn't seem to fit that description. I remember there being a reason for why I had a town read on him so I will be looking back to refresh myself a little more on him.

I am real tempted to vote NS but it feels like a cop-out. This is why I don't like playing with him much because he never seems to be productive. I don't remember much of what he has posted to be honest but I am always willing to lynch him as a personal bais from me.

Thor is a really dangerous player.

True but he also feeling very town and if he is town this can only be good for us.

I dunno, maybe you want revenge on Brian and it is clouding your reads.

I have recently suffered from this, but links would be a good idea.

[Garmr]

proactive Brian with bad read
lazy Brian
mylo fail Brian

[Zdenek]

Is there a scum game?

[Garmr]

Not what I share with him. We have always been town together and something feels off with this one.

[Bulbazak]

What's even more suss is

Everyone: Top three scumreads. Go.

TonyPF
Garmr
Aegor

After I called him out on this post and challenged him

I've been calling you scum since d1. Nice try.

Everyone: Top three scumreads. Go.

TonyPF

Garmr

Aegor

I think you should push for my lynch over the other 2 if your scum reading me. You start pushing hard now and we will have our little back and forth town see's your scum and i'm town you get lynched we have a scum flip then I get night killed.

He hasn't replied to it since and he has posted 10 posts since then.

Replying to it would be a waste of time and a distraction, since nothing would come of it. Also, did you have a problem with what I posted?

The quality in bulb posts have dropped to and the actual hunting seems absent.

Examples please.

It just seems he is riding his town read from day 1 to end game.

What town read am I supposedly riding?

If he was interested in me and emo he would actually been pushing harder instead of just strolling about.

I must have imagined d1 then, as well as those votes on Tony.

P-edit: The point which you seem to be missing, Zdenek, is that I don't think bad cases are indicative of scum. Slandaar made bad cases, ABR has made bad cases, Fonz has made bad cases, and you are making bad cases. A case being bad does not mean it's scummy. If you want me to believe that the case is scummy, and not just bad, then you need to provide evidence of it, and using the reads of a dead man who couldn't play to his wincon and had bad cases of his own is not the way to do so.

How the hell is this town. He just wants to discredit everyone. By his own theroy his cases should be bad cases. The fact I know I'm town makes his day 1 case bad. You know how he will respond if I do ever flip. It was garmr's fault and my case wasn't terribad when it fact it just sucks dick.

Why would my saying certain cases are bad be indicative of scum? That means that I don't think said cases have any merit, and I've explained why on several of them. I do like how you're trying to misrepresent my statement here and are trying to use it as a means to get me lynched.

That's not really arguing with a real player waynegg is retarded and shouldn't really be playing on this site as he is anti town as fuck.
(His the only wanka I don't like on the site at a personal level.)

I'd say Waynegg is more skillful of a player than Emo. Why are you trying to discount my argument with Waynegg in another game and trying to avoid the comparison it was meant for?

I would really like it if we could swing an Aegor lynch.

[Zdenek]

Here are Brian Skyes scum games:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32528
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=31155

My read of his play is that he stingy with town reads (only rarely giving them out, outside of reads lists) when he's scum and he's not when he's town - when he gives them out as he reads through the thread. He wasn't stingy with them in this game.

At least in his recent games its a pretty distinguishing feature of his town play.

My bet is that he's town.

[Garmr]

I've been calling you scum since d1. Nice try.

But where is your day 2 pushing. You done nothing nothing at all to pressure day 2 and I feel you been trying to avoid me directly.

Everyone: Top three scumreads. Go.

TonyPF

Garmr

Aegor

I think you should push for my lynch over the other 2 if your scum reading me. You start pushing hard now and we will have our little back and forth town see's your scum and i'm town you get lynched we have a scum flip then I get night killed.

He hasn't replied to it since and he has posted 10 posts since then.

Replying to it would be a waste of time and a distraction, since nothing would come of it. Also, did you have a problem with what I posted?

Starting up conversation with one of your scum reads is never a waste of time. Your just fucking avoiding me because you don't want to lose your clutch

The quality in bulb posts have dropped to and the actual hunting seems absent.

Examples please.

I'm saying your whole day 1 is a lot better than your day 2 and that's why I thought you were town. Somewhat wrong misdirected but town but when day 2 you became more a reactionary player instead of proactive one.

It just seems he is riding his town read from day 1 to end game.

What town read am I supposedly riding?

Your own town read that others gave you.

If he was interested in me and emo he would actually been pushing harder instead of just strolling about.

I must have imagined d1 then, as well as those votes on Tony.

Why did you drop the pressure on me then and why haven't you been able to actually pull a case out on me since day 1? You been stuck in that emo thing for ages you can't get past or even gather new evidence your incompetent bulb.

P-edit: The point which you seem to be missing, Zdenek, is that I don't think bad cases are indicative of scum. Slandaar made bad cases, ABR has made bad cases, Fonz has made bad cases, and you are making bad cases. A case being bad does not mean it's scummy. If you want me to believe that the case is scummy, and not just bad, then you need to provide evidence of it, and using the reads of a dead man who couldn't play to his wincon and had bad cases of his own is not the way to do so.

How the hell is this town. He just wants to discredit everyone. By his own theroy his cases should be bad cases. The fact I know I'm town makes his day 1 case bad. You know how he will respond if I do ever flip. It was garmr's fault and my case wasn't terribad when it fact it just sucks dick.

Why would my saying certain cases are bad be indicative of scum? That means that I don't think said cases have any merit, and I've explained why on several of them. I do like how you're trying to misrepresent my statement here and are trying to use it as a means to get me lynched.

Looking for those explanations can't find them unless your talking about the ones with fonz only then he comes off better and it feels like you getting defensive over them like your misdercting them away from any of your scum team mates.

Are you trying to defend yourself with that fake shield made of waaghh snivel snivel his misrepping me.

That's not really arguing with a real player waynegg is retarded and shouldn't really be playing on this site as he is anti town as fuck.
(His the only wanka I don't like on the site at a personal level.)

I'd say Waynegg is more skillful of a player than Emo. Why are you trying to discount my argument with Waynegg in another game and trying to avoid the comparison it was meant for?

I would really like it if we could swing an Aegor lynch.

Waynegg skilled lol your talking about a guy who would try to out someone who outs people he thinks are cops then contentiously soft claims doctor. Spams pages upon of pages of fuck you posts with no content and all while being a vanilla townie. He is a cancer upon this community and you call him more skilled than emo lllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooollllllllll.

I would use another player any even zekrom player aslong as it's not waynegg.

(I already got a warning from the mods about me and waynegg from past games so if this continues I could end with a ban so lets not continue much about this unless necessary.)

[Aegor]

VOTE: NS

Will join the largest wagon, no questions asked. I would not mind lynching ABR or inHim.

[Garmr]

Here are Brian Skyes scum games:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32528
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=31155

My read of his play is that he stingy with town reads (only rarely giving them out, outside of reads lists) when he's scum and he's not when he's town - when he gives them out as he reads through the thread. He wasn't stingy with them in this game.

At least in his recent games its a pretty distinguishing feature of his town play.

My bet is that he's town.

gieven these I say
60% chance brian of being scum.

[Chevre]

Aegor, what do you define as a deadline lynch?

[Garmr]

happy scumday chev

[Aegor]

Any lynch wagon that gains momentum in the last day or two.

[Chevre]

so why is your pledge to join the largest wagon exempt from your apparent disdain for deadline lynches seen in 1364? So deadline lynches are bad but they are better than no lynch? I just don't get what you mean by "advocate a deadline lynch"; it's not like anyone intentionally wants to wait until the last moment and then push a sub-par lynch quickly and shoddily.

[Aegor]

Deadline lynches are bad but better than a no-lynch unless the would-be lynch is a great player. This is just math, and guaranteed math given that this setup is mountainous.

My earlier admonishment was delivered so that we could collectively reach a decision before pressure created exploitable opportunities and rash decisions. It is in the interest of scum to wait until the last moment and push sub-par lynch. People generally want a lynch and are willing to go along. Deadline lynches are almost always sub-par.

[Bulbazak]

But where is your day 2 pushing. You done nothing nothing at all to pressure day 2 and I feel you been trying to avoid me directly.

To be honest, I spent some time reevaluating my read on you. I didn't like what I saw, so the scumread returned near the later half of the day.

Starting up conversation with one of your scum reads is never a waste of time. Your just fucking avoiding me because you don't want to lose your clutch

Except you didn't want to startup a conversation, you wanted me to vote you when you weren't a viable wagon. That would have distracted from a scumread I would have been more likely to lynch. Not to mention that the argument that you were prepping to start would have clogged up the thread, distracting from actual scumhunting. The point of you calling me out wasn't to find scum, it was to create a distraction, and I wasn't going to buy into that.

And if you think I'm afraid of taking someone on, because I think I might lose my composure, you really need to read some scum games of mine. Go to my wiki page, there are plenty.

Somewhat wrong misdirected but town but when day 2 you became more a reactionary player instead of proactive one.

I've heard this said about me before. I lost a bit of the handle I had on the game going into d2, not to mention I've been dealing with RL issues that have been limiting my time. I just didn't want to say anything unless it was important.

Why did you drop the pressure on me then and why haven't you been able to actually pull a case out on me since day 1?

Because I've been focusing on lynching other people.

You been stuck in that emo thing for ages you can't get past or even gather new evidence your incompetent bulb.

There's been nothing new to present, since that slot has been unimpressive today. The case is an oldie, but a goodie.

Are you trying to defend yourself with that fake shield made of waaghh snivel snivel his misrepping me.

Are you trying to use my calling certain cases bad as evidence that I'm scum?

[inHimshallibe]

Zek I have hope you can improve your game but can you take mafia seriously please.

This statement is hilarious.

I'm back fully, I hope. Been down with a sickness.

[inHimshallibe]

lol @ shroom suddenly being online as soon as I vote him.

Town here.