Open 544: Tit for Tat (Game Over)

[MTD]

well I am still ok with my vote, but if this lynch isn't gonna happen, I will go for other people, favorably Loran, but also Lucky.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote Count 2.26

neil1113 (3) – Lucky2u, MTD, Saki [L-2]

Lucky2u (2) - Ankamius, Titus
Ankamius (1) - dopog


Not Voting (3) – Lorantheceae, jon_h16, neil1113

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-02-20 15:48:00)

[Lucky2u]

Sorry for the delay, had RL interference. I don't really have any meta to draw from on anyone but Saki. Thank god too, because if I didn't know Saki was crazy, I'd have trouble understanding him. jon, we have played together but it's been awhile and I don't really remember you (no offence). The same might go for Titus, I can't remember for sure. Let's see what I can draw up.

Lucky2u - This guy is super town, trust and obey him!

Ankamius - Celebloki left a pretty town slot and I like Ank's aggressiveness and openess on everything he is thinking, without seeming to care what people think. Town read, but he needs to get over the wall posts. It's going to happen, try to read them.

Titus - The conversation with Titus and Loran about the identity of the vig was very telling. I am going with Titus as town mostly because of it. Which brings me to...

Loranthaceae - Multiple attempts to misrep Titus and trying to bait info from people about the vig ID, which can only be being done for aiming night actions as scum I would think. At one point when explaining her interaction with another player she said something to the affect of "it was worth it because I got a town read on him and he got one on me". Town shouldn't be actively seeking town reads on themselves. Probably Scum.

Saki - I can't even do this one really. Saki is Saki. I read him as Saki. Doesn't contribute for long periods of time, ignores questions, makes short posts that don't help (Like posting an emoticon, or stating the obvious). All of this is just Saki posting though... Maybe lynch him just to see what he is.

MTD - German. Must be scum. Honestly I am null here. If there is a case someone can point me to in his ISO, I can't make a strong argument for town or scum on him.

jon_h61 - if it wasn't for asking the Vig repeatedly to shoot him, I would probably agree that Jon is definite town. I just feel like it's something I would do as scum to try and show how town I am. I'll just say he is leaning town for me, for super scum hunting.

neil1113 - this guy made himself a target for me before I even started reading to catch up. I may have some bias because of his suggestion to euthanize my slot to save me the trouble of playing this game starting at a bad position. I paid more attention to his slot than perhaps I did others. The last post by his predecessor was one of the most scummy things I've seen this game.

Spoiler:

I think what really seals it is that loran voted me today, while still being adamant that anka is scum
Vote: anka

I could also swing lorans way but I think anka might have gained the jk ability and that’s why loran isn’t voting him anymore

todays options are me, anka, or loran, no one else pls

How the hell does that vote line up with that post? Town Tlachta should have voted Loran here. It's his stronger read and the jailkeeper assumption is a freaking guess. He didn't vote Loran because that is his partner. When neil picks up the slot, he furthers the odd behavior by saying he doesn't like Loran and calling him a hypocrit but TOWN reading him. LOL! no... that's ridiculous. I'm afraid I don't agree with Jon, neil is not a good scum. He has spent multiple posts saying things along the lines "When I flip town" "After I flip town" "If I flip town". I think he is doing it to put doubt in his would be wagoners, and seems to be working because people are too scared to pull the trigger. Scum, needs rope.

VOTE: neil

dopog - can't really read dopog since there isn't much to read. He replaced hopkirk who was super lurky and unhelpful, with very little content. Null.

[Lucky2u]

If anyone is still around, I'll make myself as available as possible until deadline to squeeze as much info out of me as we can.

[Titus]

Lucky, you are making no sense. We may have played together a few moons ago. Too long to remember. Your name does sound familiar though.

I really don't get how you can townread me and vote for my vig.

[Lucky2u]

why does it make no sense that I don't remember you if we played many moons ago?

what do you mean voting for your vig?

[MTD]

IMO neil/loran scumteam is unlikely after early D2. I mean bussing your only scumpartner left that hard? Dunno, seems unlikely.
I do think one of them is scum, though.

[Titus]

Sorry. Poor drafting. Townreading me and voting my vig makes no sense. Neil is Tla and I am reasonably confident neil is the vig. Hence no push to claim.

[Lucky2u]

Just because I think you are town doesn't mean I agree with you on who the scum is. It just means I think you aren't one of those scum. You can be my town read and be voting me for example, by your logic there I would need to vote myself.

[Titus]

Ok. I guess that makes sense. I kinda assumed I would be a scumread due to defending your scumread. I guess I was engaged in projection.

VOTE: Loran

Can we flashwagon Loran?

[MTD]

@Titus: ehrm, what? I am ok with voting Loran, but I don't really think enough people will do so...

[Titus]

This may be a stalemate. I really do not want a no lynch but lynching my pr candidate is worse. So yeah, longshot but gotta try.

[jon_h61]

I'd still like to see neil's flip. I'll bet you he's scum!

VOTE: neil

L-1

again

[Lucky2u]

This may be a stalemate. I really do not want a no lynch but lynching my pr candidate is worse. So yeah, longshot but gotta try.

So you won't hammer even if deadline comes?

[jon_h61]

A quick question for Titus. When I started having my back and forth with neil, you mentioned in a vague sort of way that you were changing your opinion of me. The way it was worded didn't sit well with my scumdar. I'd go quote it, but I'm being lazy. Why didn't you (who until then professed that you thought I was Town) question me or try to show me that I was off base? Why didn't you do any digging into finding out if my intentions weren't Town aligned?

I wouldn't mind answers to these questions, but mainly I want to ask them while I still can. Scum could leave me alive to WIFOM Town, or if I'm really off in my reads. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

[jon_h61]

EBWOP What I was implying with that bottom bit was that if I'm right on neil, the last scum just might take me out.

[Lucky2u]

It's stuff like that that make me unsure of you Jon. I could take that as a scum slip or nervous town.

[Saki]

VOTE: neil

[jon_h61]

@ lucky That's OK. I don't really have to worry about making scum slips, I need to expose scum. Everything I've done all game is try to expose scum. So it's impossible to prove I'm scum. It makes it where I can be more aggressive. At any time anyone thinks I'm not looking for scum their vote better be on me.

As for the vig thing, that's up to him and I fully expect to be vigged if neil's Town.

tl:dr If you ever think I'm scum vote me.

[neil1113]

@ lucky That's OK. I don't really have to worry about making scum slips, I need to expose scum. Everything I've done all game is try to expose scum. So it's impossible to prove I'm scum. It makes it where I can be more aggressive. At any time anyone thinks I'm not looking for scum their vote better be on me.

As for the vig thing, that's up to him and I fully expect to be vigged if neil's Town.

tl:dr If you ever think I'm scum vote me.

You won't be vigged because I am the town. There's my claim.

Go ahead and hammer me if you wish, I'm dead tonight anyway.

[Lucky2u]

@ lucky That's OK. I don't really have to worry about making scum slips, I need to expose scum. Everything I've done all game is try to expose scum. So it's impossible to prove I'm scum. It makes it where I can be more aggressive. At any time anyone thinks I'm not looking for scum their vote better be on me.

As for the vig thing, that's up to him and I fully expect to be vigged if neil's Town.

tl:dr If you ever think I'm scum vote me.

You won't be vigged because

I am the town.

There's my claim.

Go ahead and hammer me if you wish, I'm dead tonight anyway.

I assume you meant to say town vig here... Whelp this is upsetting. I came in to this game wanting to help town and I may have just screwed us over. Awesome.

[Lucky2u]

Flash wagon new target?

VOTE: Loran

[Loranthaceae]

So neil, are you claiming vig or what?

[Saki]

5 hours to deadline and why the hell is a flashwagon attempt happening
but since it is w.e

VOTE: Loran

[Loranthaceae]

And I was so close too, fucking Lucky had to move his vote right when I logged in. Anyway..

As for the vig thing, that's up to him and I fully expect to be vigged if neil's Town.

You won't be vigged because I am the town. There's my claim.

Go ahead and hammer me if you wish, I'm dead tonight anyway.

It's not like the vig can't fire off a successful shot even if he gets shot. So trust me, he's not the vig.