Mini 1536 - Silph Co. Reverse Mafia (Game Over)

Bulbazak · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:49 pm

You just proved absolutely nothing.

TierShift · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:36 am

So, cheery, I see that the doc protect claim with a mason alive is pretty awkward, but then again, not super likely to come from a scum tracker.
For me he's either a town tracker or a non-tracker scum. Even if you don't see it the same way, why won't you at least let him prove the tracker part? It's not like he's unlynchable tomorrow.

Pasch, if you don't track whiskers tonight I'll take it as a scumclaim.

In post 811, Aj The Epic wrote:as he's basically the only player I consider for-sure town

Why is max certain town?

Maxous · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:09 am

In post 811, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 786, TierShift wrote:I find the certainty and naivity with which max defends me disconcerting.

Max, why aren't you voting bulba anymore?
The fact that he's one of the people who consistently finds you town is a bother, I agree.
However, you're in no position to disagree with him defending you, as he's basically the only player I consider for-sure town who's been consistently backing you
. I still haven't seen anything worth being suspicious of from Max.

interesting choice of words.

Maxous · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:12 am

In post 804, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 801, TierShift wrote:Yeah, so you think SK would just claim they're 3rd party+inviting the tracker to conf themselves by tracking them?
Yeah, no.
Just because it's not a SK per se doesn't mean that it's not a role that can kill in some fashion, thus getting rid of a BP. Heck, it could even be a SK with investigation immunity.

In post 801, TierShift wrote: Is there even a trackable non-SK 3rd party role? Can't think of one.
This is a theme game. Who knows?

In post 800, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 799, TierShift wrote:Because third party don't just claim?
Plus, if there's a SK like dry-fit's story seems to suggest, it would be weird to have another third party role.
I'm not used to playing mini themes, but I can't remember ever having seen two third party roles in a normal-ish mini theme.
Then it's possible that Whiskers might be the only 3rd party, but might not be telling the truth about her role. That's why Pasch and I have been prodding her.

so you think there is a legit possibility that Whiskers is a serial killer.
you are being very passive about it considering the circumstances.

And I still struggle to see that this is a genuine town-tunnel on Pasch from Cheery.

Paschendale · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:45 am

In post 823, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 822, Cheery Dog wrote: If there is a doctor that protected pasch, well just as well pasch's team decided to no kill gambit.
I'm still not seeing the supposed no kill gambit.

Cheery thinks that me and my scumteam didn't kill last night in order to make it look like I was protected, despite there being no doc, in order to semi-confirm me as town. This despite the fact that most people were townreading me already and I clearly wasn't in need of this boost. So... the main thing that Cheery's idea lacks is any motive whatsoever. At best, it's a big dose of WINFOM. At worst, it's a scummy attempt to kill a town PR. But it's got this such glaring flaw that it makes me wonder why Cheery is pursuing it. That Tiershift (who is scum) is latching onto it so hard makes me think they're in on it together. They really want me dead. See below.

In post 826, TierShift wrote:Pasch, if you don't track whiskers tonight I'll take it as a scumclaim.

Tier is still trying to get me to find other PRs, getting information that is more helpful to the scum team. He sees that Whiskers is working with town, and wants to eliminate the threat, because even if a third party role doesn't conflict with town, it certainly conflicts with scum.

Do we lynch Cheery or Tier today?

TierShift · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:37 am

Whiskers said she is a trackable third party so how again am I trying to out PR's?

Congratulating the doc is a scumtell so don't try to turn that on me.

You have the opportunity to confirm yourself without outing a PR (by tracking whiskers) so you should do that over the small chance of having a shaky guilty on someone. Don't you agree?

Maxous · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:27 am

In post 830, TierShift wrote: Congratulating the doc is a scumtell so don't try to turn that on me.

why?

TierShift · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:30 am

Isn't it?

Cheery Dog · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:25 pm

In post 826, TierShift wrote:So, cheery, I see that the doc protect claim with a mason alive is pretty awkward, but then again, not super likely to come from a scum tracker.
For me he's either a town tracker or a non-tracker scum. Even if you don't see it the same way, why won't you at least let him prove the tracker part? It's not like he's unlynchable tomorrow.

Pasch, if you don't track whiskers tonight I'll take it as a scumclaim.

I still don't believe it's a confirmable role. I'm aware that it would invovle a blind guess normally, but we have to remember that whiskers

isn't town

.

TierShift · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:53 pm

In post 833, Cheery Dog wrote:I'm aware that it would invovle a blind guess normally

Are you even serious
You take that as unconfirmable?

Aj The Epic · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:18 pm

In post 827, Maxous wrote:
In post 811, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 786, TierShift wrote:I find the certainty and naivity with which max defends me disconcerting.

Max, why aren't you voting bulba anymore?
The fact that he's one of the people who consistently finds you town is a bother, I agree.
However, you're in no position to disagree with him defending you, as he's basically the only player I consider for-sure town who's been consistently backing you
. I still haven't seen anything worth being suspicious of from Max.
interesting choice of words.

I could've said "Only person backing you, period" but I felt like specifying my stance on you.

Why is max certain town?

Why isn't he? Nothing Max has done this whole game has been the least bit scummy in my eyes. I don't get how we're even questioning him, especially given that whiskers isn't even pro-town anymore... There's got to be some town, and the three/two towniest players I've seen have been him/whiskers/pasche.

Bulbazak · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:41 pm

In post 828, Maxous wrote: so you think there is a legit possibility that Whiskers is a serial killer.
you are being very passive about it considering the circumstances.

I'm trying to balance out the possibilities instead of just charging in blindly. If we mess up, we could end up in Mylo or Lylo. Normally, I'd be all up for eliminating a NK, but we're still not sure that Whiskers is a SK, just a third party. That's why I want to know her wincon so bad, so I can make the best decision possible. Personally, I don't even think we should end the day until we know this bit of information. The only reason we should be lynching Whiskers is if we can't find scum at deadline, or if she refuses to cooperate.

cxinlee · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:53 pm

Ok catching up.
First,
UNVOTE:
Basically, my vote was based on cheery discrediting the vote as coming from scum, rather than attacking it and proving why max is wrong.

But now i think about it, that really isnt alignment indicative.

Also, im going to ignore whisker's "claim" until he hardclaims a certain role. And i dont think hes going to do it at this stage.

Bulbazak · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:12 pm

In post 837, cxinlee wrote: Also, im going to ignore whisker's "claim" until he hardclaims a certain role. And i dont think hes going to do it at this stage.

Why would you want to ignore a third party claim, especially since there is a possibility that it could be harmful to the town?

Dry-fit · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:01 pm

Okay I'm here. I'll be able to start posting regularly again starting tomorrow. Not really anything interesting in the last few pages. Pasch's claim and overall play still aren't scum.

In post 773, Paschendale wrote:@Dry-Fit: How does Max's above post fit in with your theory?

Doesn't change anything really and I don't see why it would.

Whiskers · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:09 am

In post 829, Paschendale wrote:At best, it's a big dose of WINFOM.

Only $19.99!

Paschendale · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:05 pm

In post 836, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 828, Maxous wrote: so you think there is a legit possibility that Whiskers is a serial killer.
you are being very passive about it considering the circumstances.
I'm trying to balance out the possibilities instead of just charging in blindly. If we mess up, we could end up in Mylo or Lylo. Normally, I'd be all up for eliminating a NK, but we're still not sure that Whiskers is a SK, just a third party. That's why I want to know her wincon so bad, so I can make the best decision possible. Personally, I don't even think we should end the day until we know this bit of information. The only reason we should be lynching Whiskers is if we can't find scum at deadline, or if she refuses to cooperate.

Agreed 100%.

In post 840, Whiskers wrote:
In post 829, Paschendale wrote:At best, it's a big dose of WINFOM.

Only $19.99!

Thanks, Whiskers.

Bulbazak · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:22 pm

Whiskers, what is your wincon?

Whiskers · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:06 pm

To put it shortly:
"Catch 'em all!"

Whiskers · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:11 pm

It has directly to do with the nightkills, so I don't really want to disclose anything until I've already almost-met it.

Cheery Dog · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:31 pm

Some form of global back-ups?
I think if I go thinking too much I'll just get more confused at the gamestate, so we should all go lynch Pasch-scum.

Paschendale · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:40 am

VOTE: Whiskers

Nothing here makes me trust that you won't make us lose, and that is the one answer we really wanted from you.

TierShift · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:19 am

I disapprove of a whiskers lynch.
I don't think non-townwin-sharing third party would ever claim third party.
But now I do wanna know her wincon.

Whiskers · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:22 am

In post 846, Paschendale wrote:VOTE: Whiskers

Nothing here makes me trust that you won't make us lose, and that is the one answer we really wanted from you.

Ok.

Vote: Paschendale

Whiskers · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:31 am

In post 846, Paschendale wrote:VOTE: Whiskers

Nothing here makes me trust that you won't make us lose, and that is the one answer we really wanted from you.

In post 848, Whiskers wrote:Ok.

Vote: Paschendale

Just so you know, we're both still voting Tiershift, according to rule 6a.

In fact,
Bulbazak: TierShift,
Maxous: Dry-fit,
Tiershift: Bulbazak, Paschendale, Aj The Epic, Whiskers,
Paschendale: Cheery Dog, Kenobi,
Cheery Dog: Maxous,

With 10 players alive, we can assume it's 6 (50%+1) to lynch. Tiershift is in the lead at L-2.