NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Huntress]

Vote Count 4.4

Bulbazak (3) - inHimshallibe, Sotty7, Aegor
Chevre (1) - emogirl123
emogirl123 (1) - Bulbazak
kabooooom (1) - Rainbowdash
Aegor (1) - Thor665

Not voting (5) - Chevre, DisCode, emeraldemon, HighShroomish, kabooooom


With twelve players alive, it takes seven votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Four is Thursday, 27th March 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-03-27 20:00:00)).

Note:

Still looking for a replacement for Discode.

Update: I've ended up just using my old laptop, but I am busy with schoolwork until tomorrow night. If I don't catch up then, feel free to replace me.

Noted. But replacements are proving hard to come by so I hope you'll stay if you can. :)

[Aegor]

@Mod: Could we just modkill Discode please?

[Bulbazak]

Then explain it to me, because all I see is you attacking him for wanting to policy lynch Kabooom yet no one else, when no one but Kabooom and ABR were viable.

This statement justifies my attack.

On who? RBD or me? Because I don't think it does in either case.

It's only a chainsaw defense if the reason for attacking you is that you're attacking their buddy.

Not true, by definition. You are more than welcome to consult the wiki in order to correct your error.

I have consulted the wiki. In fact, that's where I came across the term. Heck, during my first 6 months on the site, I practically lived on the wiki. I know what the term means and how it's used. Plus, the very image of chainsaw does not equate to a subtle and indirect attack. If you're chainsawing somebody, you're doing it on purpose.

Because

post hoc

is a fallacy of equating temporal succession with cause-effect. That does not characterize either of our arguments in this case.

You asked me to explain my reasoing d3. You then proceeded to discredit my reasoning using recent information that I had no way of knowing at the time. Maybe it's not post hoc, but it is fallacious reasoning.

Which you asked after my explanation had already been provided more than once. An ISO my my posts will confirm this.

Obviously it's not a good explanation if I have to keep asking about it.

Because he's town.

Are you admitting that you know he is town? Or would you like to rephrase that in a way that properly conveys your uncertainty?

Talk to Thor about how to best present your scum and town reads.

[Thor665]

@Bulba.

You're wasting a lot of ai debating Aegor.
You're voting Emogirl who, not only do I think she's town, but it's not like anyone else is backing you there.
Time to bus your scumbuddy, yeah? C'mon over and make it less of a soft bus pl0x.

[Aegor]

On who? RBD or me? Because I don't think it does in either case.

RBD, obviously.

I have consulted the wiki. In fact, that's where I came across the term. Heck, during my first 6 months on the site, I practically lived on the wiki. I know what the term means and how it's used. Plus, the very image of chainsaw does not equate to a subtle and indirect attack. If you're chainsawing somebody, you're doing it on purpose.

Intentionality has no bearing on subtlety or directness.

Obviously it's not a good explanation if I have to keep asking about it.

Non sequitur. The problem lies with your inability or unwillingness to read it.

I am done with this conversation, Bulb (not angry or anything). I do not think it will yield anything interesting henceforth.

I am still down with lynching out of {Chevre, RBD, kab}, and {Bulb} as a compromise. I am also completely open to new cases on other players.

~Tags fixed.

[Aegor]

Mod, would appreciate tag fixes in prior post.

Done.

[Thor665]

{Chevre, RBD, kab}, and {Bulb} as a compromise.

It is near day start.
You're voting your compromise.
Die scum die.

[emeraldemon]

OK, I am caught up, but it's late and I will have to work on this more tomorrow. A few quick things:

0) I'm actually really stoked that we got a scum kill, we finally have something with traction instead of groping in the dark. I need to reread, but my feeling is that this flip means Thor is town. When he came in with the meta case yesterday, the ABR wagon was waning. I don't know Thor's meta, but that would be a really aggressive bus. At some point I need to spend time rechecking the ABR wagon(s) for clues.

1) I just finished a game with scum kaboom: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=36651 . That game had some serious problems, but it might be worth checking out. kaboom has lurked a lot more in this game, but a newbie is easier than a large game like this.

2) I don't really see the NK helping us at all, the flip would have made Zdenek close to conftown anyway, so it's an obvious scum choice.

3) Aegor is trying a slightly different tactic today, posting cases and arguing pretty hard, mostly with bulba. Nothing to change my read though, and 1924 really rubs me the wrong way. "Lynch me now or never speak of day 2 again" is a pretty crappy thing to ask from town. In this case I wouldn't mind obliging.

VOTE: Aegor

[Thor665]

I don't know Thor's meta, but that would be a really aggressive bus. At some point I need to spend time rechecking the ABR wagon(s) for clues.

Depending on who you ask I either bus really hard, or am desperate to defend scumbuddies, or (as in this game) I've been tagged as an aggressive busser who apparently decides partway through that I don't want to bus them.

I am on record as never lying about my meta, and personally think I'm a pretty aggressive busser.
That said, I'm also on record as wanting to shift that meta up, because I think the current site meta would actually reward a scumteam that refused to bus.
Nobody has been willing to take me up on it.
Yet.

[Aegor]

VOTE: Aegor

[Bulbazak]

Unvote

Vote Aegor

[kabooooom]

vote:aegor

as for my scin list- you, chevre, bulb, thor, discode (i dont have strong reasons for my read cos i have read much. I m out of town.)

null- ED, inhin, HS (inhin and HS are null cos i havent read posts of those guys.)

town-sotty (she was lead attacker in that ABR weagon.)

[kabooooom]

L-2 btw.

[kabooooom]

And emogul is town and rainbowgul is null.

[kabooooom]

mod: is there a way discode can be mod killed?? Cant you just say you are not getting replacements and modkill him?

[emogirl123]

Thor is also scum. I'm dead tonight. Lynch Chevre, Thor, Bulba in that order.

[emogirl123]

good game, going back to sleep.

[emogirl123]

Would really appreciate a Chevre lynch over Aegor. But given Aegor's resignation out of frustration, I don't even have him as support for Chevre. This is pretty bullshit. Aegor is town. It doesn't take a waste of a lynch to figure this out. How Aegor gets lynched over Chevre and Bulba is beyond my comprehension.

[emogirl123]

Thor is also scum.

The secret to this read is the way Thor is handling Bulba v Aegor. I view certain players as more capable than others based on their meta and Thor has disappointed me greatly with his choices here. Of course this is very unconventional or most would call bullshit. Doesn't change Thor being scum.

[kabooooom]

Thor is also scum. I'm dead tonight. Lynch Chevre, Thor, Bulba in that order.

dont underestimate ED he is clever! As for chevre, I m good with lynching her but there wont be any sheeping in that wagon! Discode and chevre needs to be modkill!!

[kabooooom]

Off topic!:- in my prev post, third line last work which is 'needs', is it wrong? I mean what should come, need or needs?

[HighShroomish]

*sigh* please don't let this be D1 all over again and have the wagon suddenly dissapear... Please.

VOTE: AEGOR

L-1.

[emogirl123]

Intent to hammer unless Aegor unvotes himself.

[Aegor]

UNVOTE:

[kabooooom]

So..??
do you have anything to say?? Aegor??