So I had this post ready a few days ago and the Yuri seemed to think it wasn't worth waiting for and dropped the hammer. I see how we got into this situation but it's frustrating to put the effort in to reading and analysing the thread (especially for a new player not used to this) then effectively have someone say "nope don't need to hear that".
(YurikoJasmine)
For clarity my post 358 was explaining that I did not like your assertion that my post 329 seemed IIOA. My point in 358 being I had been in the game less than 24 hours then and any analysis would be sketchy unless I gave it a good go. I tried to say that I would get a review into the thread within 24 hours of the point I joined - some 6 hours short of the deadline. I wasn't suggesting there was 24 hours to go until the deadline.
I'm frustrated at being called for IIOA when my stated intention was to start what conversations I could to help me understand the game and the other players. Simply refuting that attempt with your comments in 352 is both frustrating for me and counter-productive for town.
Onto the review I had planned:-
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To borrow shamelessly from RedCoyote in post 276
[Town]
--jon_h61-----HiddenInTheDark----RedCoyote--YurikoJasmine--VictorDeAngelo--Voidwalker1234-Espeonage----chitmap2510-----
[Scum]
jon_h61
-- My strongest town read based on the signs he is picking up in others and talking about (HiddenInTheDark potentially trying for town cred in 126 for example). I don't always agree with his assertions however the way he is going about this game feels very town.
HiddenInTheDark
-- Another town read, not as strong as jon_h61 but still significant. To note is that his early interactions with Dritan felt quite town but more recent play less so, that said his reluctance to vote on Espeonage in 315 and query the motives of those thinking it rang true for town. I didn't like your read of VoidWalker1234 based solely on what you'd seen in another game which you didn't provide any evidence for - that said nobody pushed you for the evidence: Could you provide a link to the game where Voidwalker1234's play was replicated by another player?
RedCoyote
-- Almost all the posts put up by RedCoyote seemed organised and pro-town. Not always as fully explained as I'd like, but then I'm a new player looking for an explanation in everything and he has only been in the game a few more days than me. Not enough posts or time in game from him for me to read as stronger town - town<null.
YurikoJasmine
-- Smaller contributions but useful ones and seems to be pushing town agenda - even considering personal annoyances she still comes across with town at heart, same read as RedCoyote small town read.
VictorDeAngelo
-- As with HiddenInTheDark; your early exchanges with Dritan felt very pointed and town-leaning if a little aggressive. However while you've been organised and proactive later on your interaction with HiddenInTheDark seems to be slowing down progress of the town. Active and very small town read leaning null. read.
Voidwalker1234
-- Your playstyle is one that forces me to make an initial call on how to view you 1) new town with a playstyle of "woe is me, I'm just like this" or 2) this is a clever act to get you as far as you can in the game. I'll express disappointment if it is 1) and suprise if it is 2). I felt from reading games that choosing 2) would only be counter-productive unless you landed in a very inactive game. It seems to have done just that here. Despite you seeming to make out that RedCoyote is scummy in 331 which makes little sense to me, the odd voting on VictorDeAngelo, and the odd language when you talked about bussing over the VictorDeAngelo/Dritan interaction earlier on - I still have you as misplaced weak town/null read you just don't feel that scummy.
Espeonage
-- I'm a little confused by your play - perhaps you simply have low activity naturally at the start of games but I would have appreciated more of a town lead from you early on. That said I agreed with your call of Voidwalker1234 as town in 280 but you seemed to be advocating waiting until day 2 to see if he changed his playstyle - potentially taking us to no lynch on day 1. This seems counter-productive for town which is why I say your play seems odd - coupled with a vote on RedCoyote that seems to have gathered no following - mostly due to the lack of reasoning behind it - and the response to Dritan in 280 states that you'll come back with a response to the case against you. I don't believe you have done this, please point me to it if so and I will happily reassess. This kind of play just doesn't feel like town no matter how much "playing your way into the game" - 302 you are doing. I don't want our IC to be scum but you are leaning that way for me at the moment. null>scum read.
chitmap2510
-- I kind of feel for you as another replacement player with 5 posts with content to your name over the last week so I found it difficult to have you as my strongest scum read, but there you are. Why? - well some of it does come from your slot, not your play, early in the game where I'm getting scum feel from the emotion of Dritan. In particular the whole "scum stays in the shadows" around post 83 seemed a little bit like a justification for posting as much as he did (with limited content) which I trace back to the slot not the player. Additionally in 281 you vote Voidwalker1234 and I feel your reasons are pretty clear however I'd appreciate if you can clear up your standings towards VictorDeAngelo and Espeonage who you also addressed in that post. You seemed to have a reasonable line of inquiry into Espeonage that was rebuffed with a single sentence in 282. In fact you ask him about being dismissive and how you feel it's suspicious - he then dismisses you with a single sentence and you let it go? Are you being a little bit over-awed by tangling with the IC in this game? I don't think he answers were suitable - why do you?
As regards VictorDeAngelo you seem to have doubts about his voting for Dritan, well, actually you seem to be agreeing with HiddenInTheDark about it from what I read. I'm not calling you for the opinion more for the way you choose to voice it. Scum read.
Right now I'm happy that we have jon_h61 and HiddenInTheDark as town providing they aren't about to change their general playstyle and as long as RedCoyote and YurikoJasmine are consistently town-leaning in their play we should be able to work well with a solid town base.
VictorDeAngelo and Voidwalker1234 I'm not really sold on as scum so for me they need to contribute to town's agenda more and quit the bickering that irritates me when it seems to go nowhere and reveal nothing new.
That leaves me with two scummier players by POE - Espeonage, and chitmap2510. I can address my issues with both of these in more detail if required - I'm not reading them super strong scum and I'm pulling my thoughts together from the notes I've made going through the thread and looking at some ISOs.
I'm sure there is a bunch of stuff I've missed and could still learn / pick up on as this is the first time I've produced a post with my reads in a game of mafia so I'm happy to discuss the above and defend/critique the comments as needed.
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Ok so that was my original post rendered slightly obsolete by YurikoJasmine's hammer and the events of the night. I wanted to put it up anyway as 1) It might gives us something useful to work from 2) You all get to have something to interact with from me 3) I said I would and I got all bloody minded about it once I saw YurikoJasmine had posted the hammer.
(HiddenInTheDark)
I see your reasoning for the vote on jon_h61 and while I agree there is good reason to look at why he did what he did, vote-wise, I don't believe it's worth a vote is it? jon_h61 sits in my town list so you'll have to do a lot of convincing if you want my vote.
I only have VictorDeAngelo as a small town read so I'd love to hear anything beyond what you've already said about why he is scum.
(VictorDeAngelo)
FOS on you from HiddenInTheDark - If I remove the pro-town actions I see in your posts with Dritan you look a lot scummier - so if that was down to his playstyle why are you town?
In particular can you address the claim request on Dritan with no intent to hammer?
