Hi. I was on both the bulb and the ABR lynch. You can stop calling me useless now.In post 2420, Thor665 wrote:@Sotty - stop being useless Sotty. I've played with dynamic Sotty before, I'd like to play with dynamic Sotty now. Please bring dynamic Sotty out.
Isn't the fundamental point of no lynching at it's peak when we get down to four players? Isn't that when it increases our chances the most? I mean unless you are arguing we no lynch more than once, I just don't get why we do it now rather than near the end.In post 2421, petroleumjelly wrote:The most straightforward example: suppose you are convinced 6 players are Town ("Town pool") and the scum are therefore necessarily within the 4 remaining players ("elimination pool"), which is exactly how many lynches we have. No Lynching can only increase the odds of winning because it increases the odds scum will kill one of the 4 remaining players in the "elimination" pool. If that happens, then there will be 3 players to lynch between 4 lynches. That way, if it turns out the "elimination pool" was faulty in the first place, the Town will still get one last attempt at a lynch between the players who were considered Town (when in actuality one of them was Scum). And of course even if scum manage to only hit the "Town pool" then it will not change the fact that all 4 players int he "elimination pool" will be lynched.
because when last 4 players are left and we no lynch then scum will decide whom to kill so he will kill the most townie guy. On the other if we no lynch right now we will naturally reach at a point where 4 players are left and next day we have to lynch from 3. So pj and rainbow wants to no lynch now, but the fact is its not going to help at all! Because scum is obviously going to kill someone who is very town. And we will be back to square one. And there is pretty good chance scum is from the one who wants no lynch.In post 2430, Sotty7 wrote:Isn't the fundamental point of no lynching at it's peak when we get down to four players? Isn't that when it increases our chances the most? I mean unless you are arguing we no lynch more than once, I just don't get why we do it now rather than near the end.In post 2421, petroleumjelly wrote:The most straightforward example: suppose you are convinced 6 players are Town ("Town pool") and the scum are therefore necessarily within the 4 remaining players ("elimination pool"), which is exactly how many lynches we have. No Lynching can only increase the odds of winning because it increases the odds scum will kill one of the 4 remaining players in the "elimination" pool. If that happens, then there will be 3 players to lynch between 4 lynches. That way, if it turns out the "elimination pool" was faulty in the first place, the Town will still get one last attempt at a lynch between the players who were considered Town (when in actuality one of them was Scum). And of course even if scum manage to only hit the "Town pool" then it will not change the fact that all 4 players int he "elimination pool" will be lynched.
Thor what's your scum pile outside PJ? I'm curious on your reads of Rainbow, Kab and inhim right now and if they have changed. I should have some time today to look back though HS and emeraldemon, two slots I'm not really sure on at this point. That way I can sort them either side of the pile.
I do think PJ's points on Thesp feeling outside the game are pretty good. It kinda struck me as a red flag after we have lynched two scum, for him to feel despondent like that.
seems very incorrect to me, because I would put the odds of scum killing someone in the elimination pool very near to zero, and the odds of scum killing someone in the town pool near 100%. Let's say hypothetically that kaboom is town. Is he gonna get NK'd tonight? Scum has used a fairly straightforward and successful NK strategy so far: kill helpful and townread players. I can't imagine they'd stop now.In post 2421, petroleumjelly wrote:If you believe the game can be figured out by process of elimination, then No Lynching poses zero harm to that plan.
The most straightforward example: suppose you are convinced 6 players are Town ("Town pool") and the scum are therefore necessarily within the 4 remaining players ("elimination pool"), which is exactly how many lynches we have. No Lynching can only increase the odds of winning because it increases the odds scum will kill one of the 4 remaining players in the "elimination" pool.
Since when is being 'right' and being 'useful' synonymous? You know exactly what I mean.In post 2429, Sotty7 wrote:Hi. I was on both the bulb and the ABR lynch. You can stop calling me useless now.
In order;In post 2430, Sotty7 wrote:Thor what's your scum pile outside PJ? I'm curious on your reads of Rainbow, Kab and inhim right now and if they have changed.
^^^In post 2432, emeraldemon wrote:seems very incorrect to me, because I would put the odds of scum killing someone in the elimination pool very near to zero, and the odds of scum killing someone in the town pool near 100%. Let's say hypothetically that kaboom is town. Is he gonna get NK'd tonight? Scum has used a fairly straightforward and successful NK strategy so far: kill helpful and townread players. I can't imagine they'd stop now.
why do you want to lynch one of your town reads??In post 2433, Thor665 wrote:Since when is being 'right' and being 'useful' synonymous? You know exactly what I mean.In post 2429, Sotty7 wrote:Hi. I was on both the bulb and the ABR lynch. You can stop calling me useless now.
In order;In post 2430, Sotty7 wrote:Thor what's your scum pile outside PJ? I'm curious on your reads of Rainbow, Kab and inhim right now and if they have changed.
Maybe scum, I don't think he's scum, and town.
Those are also probably in reverse order of how strongly I believe each of them. InHim is just a flat out town read for me and it's for the reasons expressed yesterday as regards his interactions with me and his votes during the ABR push. It doesn't feel like a bus - at all. Kab is...an itch, I'll agree. However, I'm accepting prima facie the meta about him and, also, for how useless he's been he's...y'know, been relatively forthright in expressing thoughts. Really, the worst scumtell I could paste to him is that I'm the only one defending him, meaning that if he's a mislynch no one is bothering to white knight him...except I sorta think Bulba defended him too. Eh, if I thought he was a lynch today maybe I'd bother researching it, but I just don't think he's wise. Rainbow is a much larger 'meh' area for me. I still find her scummy, I'm just personally not really expecting there to have been two wagons on scum yesterday and also find PJ's interactions yesterday in and line and of equal value to my issues with Rainbow yesterday. I even think both slots are being equally anti-town in their actions today. I would maybe even go so far as to say that the only reason I picked PJ over RBD today is simply a gut vibe, and I'm not sure what gave it to me. If we lynch one today and they flip town I'm likely to want to lynch the other the next day. But right at this stage PJ feels like a good lynch to me. My scum pile outside of PJ would be Thesp and RBD with a strong preference for RBD and, if down to just Thesp, I'd probably debate between him and you.
What is your take on those three?
^^^In post 2432, emeraldemon wrote:seems very incorrect to me, because I would put the odds of scum killing someone in the elimination pool very near to zero, and the odds of scum killing someone in the town pool near 100%. Let's say hypothetically that kaboom is town. Is he gonna get NK'd tonight? Scum has used a fairly straightforward and successful NK strategy so far: kill helpful and townread players. I can't imagine they'd stop now.
Gets it.
I think the real question is why didn't you provide us with your opinion along with this question?In post 2432, emeraldemon wrote:Of course, the real question, and the more difficult one: does all this mean PJ is scum?
Perhaps, but I feel like you were calling me out for no reason, I'm working though this game and calling me useless was pretty bullshit so I wasn't about to let you slide with that. AKA I'm pretty sure I have done more to lynch scum this game than you.In post 2433, Thor665 wrote:Since when is being 'right' and being 'useful' synonymous? You know exactly what I mean.
He might be talking about the fact you said you would lynch either me or Thesp when yesterday you thought I was townIn post 2435, Thor665 wrote:You're clearly horribly misreading something since I never indicated this.
yes exactly!In post 2437, Sotty7 wrote:He might be talking about the fact you said you would lynch either me or Thesp when yesterday you thought I was townIn post 2435, Thor665 wrote:You're clearly horribly misreading something since I never indicated this.
I see this wasn't you. You came around on him after the ABR lynch. Ignore this now.In post 2436, Sotty7 wrote:inhim is town like I thought, but didn't you have some suspicions on him yesterday? Or am I mixing that up with Thesp? I'll have to look back. I just remember people pushing weakass scumminess on him.
umm..no its not that actually!In post 2437, Sotty7 wrote:He might be talking about the fact you said you would lynch either me or Thesp when yesterday you thought I was townIn post 2435, Thor665 wrote:You're clearly horribly misreading something since I never indicated this.
Avoiding debate about who has "caught moar scumz!" which we could debate, but with the only value being derp - the simple question Sotty is this - do you think you have been participating to your usual and/or appropriate levels?In post 2436, Sotty7 wrote:AKA I'm pretty sure I have done more to lynch scum this game than you.
I don't agree with this. Town giving up is just as much bad play as scum giving up. I agree she gave up - as a result I think she played poorly for her team, whatever her team happens to be.In post 2436, Sotty7 wrote:Just the way her wagon was going yesterday and instead of fighting it she just wanted us to lynch you the next day. I mean, I just don't buy scum giving up.
It wasn't me. I think PJ did though.In post 2436, Sotty7 wrote:inhim is town like I thought, but didn't you have some suspicions on him yesterday? Or am I mixing that up with Thesp? I'll have to look back. I just remember people pushing weakSmurf scumminess on him.
I thought the ABR interactions didn't look scum/scum. No other reason.In post 2436, Sotty7 wrote:I'm going to look back on the vote exchange between Thesp's slot and bulb in the early game, you were quick to clear his slot for that despite not reading day one, can you detail why?
In post 2438, kabooooom wrote:you said thesp was your town read..but in that post of yours you said he is your 3rd preferred lynch.
also in case you didnt notice your reads are same as mine. and still you call my reads lazy! :/
and what do you think of thor??In post 2436, Sotty7 wrote:I think the real question is why didn't you provide us with your opinion along with this question?In post 2432, emeraldemon wrote:Of course, the real question, and the more difficult one: does all this mean PJ is scum?
Perhaps, but I feel like you were calling me out for no reason, I'm working though this game and calling me useless was pretty bullshit so I wasn't about to let you slide with that. AKA I'm pretty sure I have done more to lynch scum this game than you.In post 2433, Thor665 wrote:Since when is being 'right' and being 'useful' synonymous? You know exactly what I mean.
That aside, I actually want to lynch Thesp at this point.
Kab is pretty obv town. He seemed open and willing to engage with you and all that is perfectly fine. Do I like how he is playing? No, I don't, but it doesn't make him scum. Rainbow I think is also town, but like you this is mostly a gut reaction. Just the way her wagon was going yesterday and instead of fighting it she just wanted us to lynch you the next day. I mean, I just don't buy scum giving up. I just got all kind of town pings towards the end of the day that I didn't want to even compromise with her lynch like I said I was like a day or so before.
inhim is town like I thought, but didn't you have some suspicions on him yesterday? Or am I mixing that up with Thesp? I'll have to look back. I just remember people pushing weakass scumminess on him.
My current scum pile is Thesp, PJ, HS and emeraldemon. Thesp playing weak at the start of the day was extremely out of sorts from what I remember of him. I just don't see how town, even town that has been wrong at every turn, can come into today feeling down. We're a lynch away from winning the game. Considering how relatively painful it was to get both of those lynches I really feel like strutting around all day today, fuck the haters. I'm going to look back on the vote exchange between Thesp's slot and bulb in the early game, you were quick to clear his slot for that despite not reading day one, can you detail why?
PJ because a little of Chreve but mostly because he's come in and been very off the beaten track of this game despite reading it twice or at least almost twice now. The no lynch thing is crap, I feel like he knows it too. I might need to review his Rainbow push, Scum loyalty didn't make much sense to me the first time he said it, so we'll see.
HS because he fell completely off the radar for me. I can't even tell you what he has done lately cause I don't know. Defaults into scum.
emeraldemon is tricky. I thought he was town in the early game because of his newbiness, but he comes out and starts talking about things like multiball and even SKs, it just feels a little wrong. Bulb does vote him early and abandons it with much thought. I just feel like his posts are hiding something, it's little things like in his last one asking about PJ being scum rather than offering an opinion on what he posted himself. It's like he knows more than he is letting on and I can't put my finger on what that is.
PJ has fallen down my lynch list at this point a little. But I am still very eager to see what more he has to put into the game.
I really want him to be town, but I feel like he keeps tripping up and it gives me red flags and it's annoying me. I guess it's annoying me because he is probably town and I just want him to get on the same page as me but instead he's all off in another land saying things I don't agree with and it's making me pout.In post 2446, kabooooom wrote:and what do you think of thor??
Here is an Emerald town case, pretty much self contained in one post.In post 2348, emeraldemon wrote:@Thor
I had a townread on garmr day 1, and the bulba flip makes garmr's fights with bulba feel more town. Check out 1409. This kinda makes me think Thesp [Discode [garmr]] is town.