NY 173: Knight-Errant 2 - GAME OVER!

[Hopkirk]

Well since I did majorly scumread guzame, I guess you're right and I should'nt give him a fair chance. Plus bob makes me laugh especially with his horrible avitars, so I'll keep him around.

VOTE: MNEUIMNIC

What is this...

Vote Count 1.20

Bicephalous Bob (7) - PeregrineV, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal, Twisted Advice, MafiaSSK, mnemonicdevice, Katarina LeBlanc
mnemonicdevice (3) - GreyICE, Turkish Van, jbomber732
jbomber732 (2) - burn_209, beastcharizard
beastcharizard (1) - Hopkirk
Hopkirk (1) - MonkeyMan576
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
PeregrineV (1) - Bicephalous Bob

Not Voting (2) - Metal Sonic, notscience

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[jbomber732]

THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[GreyICE]

I don’t like any of beast’s early posts as the logic is dreadful.
167 is an pretty false statement he’s making to try and get an easier lynch.
I changed my mind about the earlier stuff after viewing it again with less bias. It does look bad.

I dislike the way mafiassk only made 3 posts- with nothing but votes- then his last was to hop on a big wagon.

Bob does look bad.

@Mnumonic: You say several times I voted/unvoted with no explanation. Are you saying this because you didn’t read the later explanations or because you disliked them?

I like you. You're going to go far in life.

[GreyICE]

what why is that quoting hopkirk's post.

This software some days

[Bicephalous Bob]

also the entire post is probably worth an instawagon but my vote won't move until pv comes back

Was wondering why you would plant your vote until I return, so I looked and it's because you're voting me! :giggle:

Anyways, I'm here. You ready?

yeah

do you think your town game improved since the meta people played with you

[PeregrineV]

also the entire post is probably worth an instawagon but my vote won't move until pv comes back

Was wondering why you would plant your vote until I return, so I looked and it's because you're voting me!

Anyways, I'm here. You ready?

yeah

do you think your town game improved since the meta people played with you

No clue. I think most of the ones claiming to have played recently were actually pretty recent (last 6 months).

I like to think my town game has improved since I started, but in the last 6 months? Maybe marginally.
Recent game I liked my play: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36588
Recent game I did not: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=28253

Not really sure of the point of the question, but there's your answer.

My turn.

Why are you scum?

[GreyICE]

Yo PV and Bob

Flirt in Guys Pt 2 or something

It's time to lynch scum.

[Antihero]

VOTE: mneumonic

i'm having an existential crisis...
somebody help me...

[Bicephalous Bob]

also the entire post is probably worth an instawagon but my vote won't move until pv comes back

Was wondering why you would plant your vote until I return, so I looked and it's because you're voting me! :giggle:

Anyways, I'm here. You ready?

yeah

do you think your town game improved since the meta people played with you

No clue. I think most of the ones claiming to have played recently were actually pretty recent (last 6 months).

I like to think my town game has improved since I started, but in the last 6 months? Maybe marginally.
Recent game I liked my play: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36588
Recent game I did not: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=28253

Not really sure of the point of the question, but there's your answer.

My turn.

Why are you scum?

you're just trying to get more snarky answers out of me because you know that's the way to get people to vote me

why did you ignore the meta argument if it isn't based on anything

[Bicephalous Bob]

also mneu's read on you is pretty damning so you better hard-defend him

[Antihero]

bob's play has been the definition of cheeky scumfuck...
he even claim stalled at L-1...

but..
but...

mneumonic claimed scum and voted him...

LIFE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE

[GreyICE]

Maybe one of them is the serial killer. We're kind of guaranteed to have one.

I dunno, I just know a scumclaim when I see one.

This could also be a Peregrine/Lootifier situation tbh

[Turkish Van]

Alrighty, now that I had time to actually sit down and take a quick skim of ALL Mnem's game that he has replaced into in the past is that as town he has not come close to dropping an Amished Tell like he did. The closest thing however to it was this:

Alright. I didn't get to read again this morning, but should tonight. I will post then.

Also, I side with Jason on that TSO did nothing wrong.

Which in itself is different.~

I'm actually a lot happier with my vote on him than I was when I casted it at lunch time.

~

@Ns:

It's more something to do with GreyICE and I being a MasonLover in Cabds game. Just this game his approach is very similar to how he approached that game. Although we were confirmed town to each other and had day talk there so we were in constant contact with each other. He's scum hunting and it feels genuine to me and his response to meta is the same too~.

[Kublai Khan]

@beastcharizard - Are you still reading Katarina LeBlanc as town? You mentioned that you knew her from another site, so maybe you can explain how her nonsensical rambling is town.

or he used that fancy-pantsy voice-to-text software. not really sure.

Note: I don't use fancy-pantsy voice-to-text software.

well, khan's latest reach-out post is actually pretty town.

As is your concillatory post. However, I still want you to explain why beastcharizard is town.

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

I think scum-PeregrineV would be moar likely to dismiss the activity charge by saying "I've changed guys". Is that your only reason for having a sole vote on him?

Because, as I said, the ashmed tell, properly applied, is infallible.

No tell is 'infallible'. You know this. Plus, are you applying it properly thought?

The amished tell is to point out that your predecessor was pretty scummy. mnemonicdevice just noted the lack of content.

The huge post of crap analysis might have earned a vote, but right now it looks like my top scum-read is trying to push a policy lynch. Not joining that wagon.

[Antihero]

re: beast; partly meta (he's really, really transparent as scum), partly because aggression comes off as town to me.

re: zombie man; not a policy lynch. I don't know about the Amished tell, but IIoA-style catch-up posts + too many inconclusive reads is classic scum replace-in posting.

[Bicephalous Bob]

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

I think scum-PeregrineV would be moar likely to dismiss the activity charge by saying "I've changed guys". Is that your only reason for having a sole vote on him?

the dismissing tone in my example is irrelevant

gut

[Lords of the Unreal]

--------^me------------------------------^this wagon

VOTE: Mnemonic

~Wandering Eye

[beastcharizard]

@beastcharizard - Are you still reading Katarina LeBlanc as town? You mentioned that you knew her from another site, so maybe you can explain how her nonsensical rambling is town.

No, she is now a scum read hence why I voted her at one point. The ramblings is just her personality. It is a null tell until I learn otherwise. She is really obvious as town later in games most of the time though. It feels like she is trying to adopt ns's style of play.

VOTE: mnemonic

Sheeping town reads.

[jbomber732]

I voted her at one point. The ramblings is just her personality. It is a null tell until I learn otherwise. She is really obvious as town later in games most of the time though. It feels like she is trying to adopt ns's style of play.

VOTE: mnemonic

Sheeping town reads.

You just indirectly called me a townread

[GreyICE]

Genghis, your fence sitting "he's scummy but I'm not voting because I'm going to milk this fake scumread for as much bullshit as the town will buy" is noted and ignored.

[Antihero]

you know, that actually gave me a thought...

khan, your vote's been stationary for about 20 pages now. what's the deal with that? are you usually a wagon-shy player?

[mnemonicdevice]

Well... This is interesting. Gone for less than 24 hours and suddenly i have a wagon on me. GreyICE, can you link a page to what this scumtell is, because i can't find it on the wiki. Also. If you don't like reading long walls of text, then don't. SKIM to my reads.

Question #2: Why did we stop voting Bob? Honestly, he claim-dodged, and now he is no longer at L-1.

Sorry Hopkirk. I didn't find the reasons for why you voted monkey and unvoted him. I was tired. Also, how is one vote not being explained a lot?

Next. Here is where the rest of the people that I didn't do a pbp analysis about last night are in my opinion:

Grey:

Pretends to be a jester
Votes bob
Calls KK irrelevant
Finds bob to be "flailing around"
Changes vote to jbomber because of this post:

I think that does make guza seem even worse, because he seems to be employing the same strategy.

Dislikes Khan's wall of text
Townreads Anti
Pushes Khan lynch
Calls Ashmed tell on me for apologizing that they had someone that they couldn't place a read on play for the first week, because he didn't post at all.
Defends his wagon on me, and lots of people join.

This guy. I don't like his arrogance, but now that I have done a pbp analysis, he seems pretty town, except for the creating a wagon on me.

Kublai Khan:

This guy has played for a long time.
That said, here's a pbp analysis

RVS
gets into argument about hydras, and distracts people from the game, the exact same thing that he is trying to prevent
Asks questions of everyone
Reads GreyICE and and jbomber as scum
Has the opinion that reads should change a lot
Scumreads Twisted
Expresses extreme dislike of hydras
Tries to judge people based on skill level too, doesn't believe in easy reads
Large argument with antihero about scumreads and how important his are
Keeps bringing up that his slight scumreads aren't as important as his other scumreads
Says that amished scum tell is to call the person they replaced scummy. (I still don't know what this scum tell is)

Twisted

RVS's a lot
Townreads kublai
Votes bob
Townreads burn
Townreads PV
Scumreads Hopkirk
Changes vote to Hopkirk
Newb-reads Guzame
Dislikes bob not posting
Townreads LOTU
Townreads Notscience
Gets cancer from jbomber post #273
Votes bob
Wants claim from bob-- does not recieve it
Doesn't decide to hop on the wagon on me

Mild town read for now

As for turkish:

I saw this too. If there was any doubt I felt you weren't town it's gone now. I think you're town.~

Also I'm getting weird feelings about the bob wagon now. Not sure if its due to who's on it or how fast it built or both.

VOTE: mnemonic

~Mala

Um... Why did you vote me? You say you get bad feelings about how fast the bob wagon built, and vote me, yet I was on a L-4, before the wave of people.

As for a PBP analysis here it is:
RVS
Puts mild scum read on Katarina, then votes her in the same post
Uses meta to be worried about PV
Dislikes Monkeyman
practically FOS's jbomber for his changing reasons for his rvs vote
Dislikes bob (doesn't everyone?)
Jbomber turns to town-read
Townreads Khan
Dislikes monkeyman again, and again, still not voting him though.
Post where she votes me

I think she is scum. This is 15% OMGUS and 85% her terrible posts

@Turkish: Why didn't you change your vote to monkeyman from katarina? You clearly thought he was scum.


I think that should be a response to everyone.

P-edit:
Wait... because i arrived late I am sheeping townreads? Plz explain.

[Antihero]

Also. If you don't like reading long walls of text, then don't. SKIM to my reads.

here's let's do it. let's strip down your post to the bare bones.

scum: bob (because of active lurking), jbomber (gut, could be bad scum or town), katarina (bandwagon), hopkirk (lots of his posts rub wrong way), turkish (terrible posts, OMGUS)
town: burn_209 (slight town read, too much fencesitting (lol)), greyice (good scum?, arrogant, pretty town), twisted (?????), antihero (you like how i post)
?????: beast (I don't know where I stand on him), khan (?????)

there's a distinct lack of anything resembling substance on the following slots: khan, mafiassk, metalsonic, peregrinev, lords of the unreal, notscience.
and the ones you actually do give "reads" on aren't really anything to write home about either. while it's obvious that you expended a great deal of effort into writing player summaries, there's not much meat to your post, a lot of nebulous scum reads, and a lot of question marks on borderline cases (khan, beast, and peregrine all come to mind).

[Antihero]

there's a distinct lack of anything resembling substance on the following slots: khan, mafiassk, metalsonic, peregrinev, lords of the unreal, notscience.

beast should also be in this list.

...and they're not all lurkers. actually, with the exception of metalsonic and ssk, none of them are lurkers.

[Kublai Khan]

khan, your vote's been stationary for about 20 pages now. what's the deal with that? are you usually a wagon-shy player?

Well, it depends. Every game is different. But generally I like to keep my vote on whoever I have the strongest scumread. And this game it's been GreyICE.

Plus the fact that he responded by counter-voting me and leaving it there for almost as long killed my incentive to move it.