Newbie 1495 (DAY 4) - The One where Everyone got Murdered

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

Taking the claim at face value without evidence to the contrary.

More reading and thinking to do...

It's going to be difficult to disprove his claim, I still can't quite believe it. I really want to see his reasoning behind that claim.

If we don't have a doctor, he is as good as dead. If we do have a doctor, it makes an easy kill for the scum because it's obvious what the doctor has to do.

[Wolfy]

UNVOTE:

Taking the claim at face value without evidence to the contrary.

More reading and thinking to do...

It's going to be difficult to disprove his claim, I still can't quite believe it. I really want to see his reasoning behind that claim.

If we don't have a doctor, he is as good as dead. If we do have a doctor, it makes an easy kill for the scum because it's obvious what the doctor has to do.

yes - agreed - cop dead or easy scum kill with a chance of hitting doc... of course even if we don't know, scum now do know if we have a doctor or not.
Was a very bad move.

[JacobSavage]

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Xayzeck [2]:

Moratorium, Malakittens

Wolfy [1]:

, thatguy2

HashtagSELFIE [1]:

Xayzeck

Malakittens [1]:

Shinobi

Moraitum [1]:

BlueBloodedToffeei

No Lynch [1]:

Mafia Moderator

Not Voting [3]:

HshtagSELFIE, Wolfy

With 9 alive it takes

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to lynch[/i]

Deadline on the 23^rdApril at 1700 BST ((expired on 2014-04-23 17:00:00))

[Moratorium]

UNVOTE:

Taking the claim at face value without evidence to the contrary.

More reading and thinking to do...

It's going to be difficult to disprove his claim, I still can't quite believe it. I really want to see his reasoning behind that claim.

If we don't have a doctor, he is as good as dead. If we do have a doctor, it makes an easy kill for the scum because it's obvious what the doctor has to do.

Your certainty that those are the only two options bothers me.

[Moratorium]

UNVOTE:

Taking the claim at face value without evidence to the contrary.

More reading and thinking to do...

It's going to be difficult to disprove his claim, I still can't quite believe it. I really want to see his reasoning behind that claim.

If we don't have a doctor, he is as good as dead. If we do have a doctor, it makes an easy kill for the scum because it's obvious what the doctor has to do.

yes - agreed - cop dead or easy scum kill with a chance of hitting doc... of course even if we don't know, scum now do know if we have a doctor or not.
Was a very bad move.

Ditto on the certainty.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

Taking the claim at face value without evidence to the contrary.

More reading and thinking to do...

It's going to be difficult to disprove his claim, I still can't quite believe it. I really want to see his reasoning behind that claim.

If we don't have a doctor, he is as good as dead. If we do have a doctor, it makes an easy kill for the scum because it's obvious what the doctor has to do.

Your certainty that those are the only two options bothers me.

I'm sorry, have I missed something? Does Wolfy's agreement with me not bother you?

You're really gunning for me; like a dog with a bone. Tunnel vision.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My bad, posted that before I saw your second reply.

Nice save.

[Wolfy]

Probably because I'm naive but the logic I applied was (based on the assumption that the cop claim is true):

1.

We have a doctor

There is therefore a roleblocker who would block the cop
Mafia would target another townie (with a chance of getting doc)

or

2.

We don't have doctor

Mafia target cop and he dies night 1

The Mafia know which one of these cases is true.
Happy to have some more lessons
I am certainly not claiming to be an expert here.

[Moratorium]

One of two things is going on in this game:

1) MM is what he says he is.

It's a Newbie game, so several players here may never have experienced the feeling of having multiple anonymous people out on the internet JUDGE you, cast accusations at you. For the uninitiated, it's an uncomfortable feeling. It's something you don't want to persist, if you've never experienced it. So your gut reaction, and every player at some point in their life has felt at least a twinge of this, is to just make it stop. I'll just claim. Everyone will stop looking at me. I'm just trying to play a game, I didn't sign up for all this pressure! Everyone will understand. And I'll feel better.

The problem, of course, is that Mafia is not a game of individuals. The tension you may feel from being voted on is a NECESSARY PART of the game, that you must accept, for the good of your team. By claiming, you have essentially thrown away the strongest power role in the game for town. With the removal of such a role, the game becomes very much tilted in favor of the scum team. And this was done for the sake of your comfort. If this is the case, post #145 was most likely the game losing post.

2) MM is not what he says he is.

Let's put aside for a moment that MM is actually some OTHER town role. Because I'm at least going to give him the credit that he's not lying as town, which would be an order of magnitude worse than Scenario #1.

MM being scum, newbie scum at that, and claiming cop Day 1. So this would mean that MM, behind this smokescreen of low content, actually realizes that real Day 1 cop claims are bad, that he'll get away with it for at least one day (because we're not lynching a claimed cop D1), and that this gives scum enough of an edge to get to endgame in a good position. I don't agree with this view, mind you, but that would seem to be the thought process.

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At the end of the day, I think a newbie got intimidated, couldn't/didn't want to keep up with the posting, and there's an excellent chance the game's busted for town.

[Moratorium]

Probably because I'm naive but the logic I applied was (based on the assumption that the cop claim is true):

1.

We have a doctor

There is therefore a roleblocker who would block the cop
Mafia would target another townie (with a chance of getting doc)

or

2.

We don't have doctor

Mafia target cop and he dies night 1

The Mafia know which one of these cases is true.
Happy to have some more lessons
I am certainly not claiming to be an expert here.

Didn't see this similar post as I wrote mine, but it's all valid.

[Xayzeck]

UNVOTE:

Game's slowed way down, can't really make reads given 3 lurkers, to the point I'm just townreading everyone that's posting.

So of the people posting, I'd be fine with {BBT, Mala, Wolfy}. Everyone outside of this list is a stronger townread, or lurking like mad.

[Xayzeck]

I don't think newbscum could pull off scenario 2, Mora.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If he is lying it's a pretty bold move, especially for a newbie, because if we do have a cop, then at least one person knows he is lying. If he has got lucky and we don't have a cop in this set-up, he has secured himself a place in D2.

In saying that, I find it very difficult to believe he is lying. As much as the claim does not make sense (because he was hardly under pressure), it makes even less sense for him to lie. This puts town in a very awkward position, hence my post in reply to Wolfy. I spoke about a doctor because MM brought it to my attention by asking the doc to save him because of his role. So the only scenarios I considered were with doctor and without doctor, perhaps I was wrong to do so, I don't know.

[Xayzeck]

Fake cop claims are garunteed to have a CC I believe, so if he is newbscum trying to fakeclaim he is either really dumb, or has really big balls because he's willing to bet nobody will CC, and that's highly unlikely.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What does CC mean?

[Xayzeck]

counterclaim

[Xayzeck]

but yeah, the two most likely scenarios are doc and no doc.

[Moratorium]

Fake cop claims are garunteed to have a CC I believe

If MM is fake-claiming, and there's a real cop in this scenario, DO NOT COUNTER CLAIM.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't see why somebody would CC? That seems like a really bad move in itself, it just gives scum the same information and doesn't really accomplish much in my opinion. The cop would already know that MM is lying and would not need to reveal themselves.

Again though, I doubt he is lying. His posts have been short and sweet, and come across as somewhat honest for one reason or another. As soon as he posted "I'm not Mafia", it was obvious he was town.

[Xayzeck]

As soon as he posted "I'm not Mafia", it was obvious he was town.

are you serious?

[Moratorium]

As soon as he posted "I'm not Mafia", it was obvious he was town.

I was joking.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

As soon as he posted "I'm not Mafia", it was obvious he was town.

are you serious?

Yeah, that's the feeling I got from it. It was just too short and to the point to be anything else. I could well be wrong, but that's my gut feeling right now.

[Moratorium]

I'm not Mafia.

[Xayzeck]

hm i think mora is town

[Xayzeck]

[quote="In post 172, Moratorium"][/quote]
so short so sweet so to the point

can't be lying now can he