Newbie 1495 (DAY 4) - The One where Everyone got Murdered

Xayzeck · Post Post #175 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:20 am

woops i failed that quote

point being, I get it if you have a townread on him, but I don't see how you could possibly townread him for saying "I'm not mafia"

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #176 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:24 am

Mora, you're a funny guy. Mora has to be town because he just said he's not mafia...

Look, MM is a newbie. I applied a little pressure, voting him and saying he was coming across as scummy, and all he replied with was I'm not mafia. I believe, and this is only my humble opinion, that if he was actually scum he would have responded with a more in-depth post defending himself a little more.

Moratorium · Post Post #177 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:34 am

You two are scum, aren't you?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #178 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:34 am

In post 177, Moratorium wrote:You two are scum, aren't you?

I'm not sure what you're expecting from that?

Yes, I am?

Xayzeck · Post Post #179 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:35 am

BBT may be

Moratorium · Post Post #180 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:40 am

In post 178, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 177, Moratorium wrote:You two are scum, aren't you?
I'm not sure what you're expecting from that?

Yes, I am?

What do you think is going to happen Night 1?

Moratorium · Post Post #181 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:45 am

Xayzeck wrote:Fake cop claims are garunteed to have a CC I believe

Why do you believe this?

Xayzeck · Post Post #182 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:46 am

because there's no setup where a cop fakeclaim wouldn't get cc'd

given the real cop does cc

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #183 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:48 am

That's a hard question to answer. By posting some of my thoughts, this can only help scum surely? If we give them a story to follow, it's pretty easy for them to set somebody up for a D2 lynch, in my opinion.

However, I expect due to our activity levels alone and the ease with which the game can play out with more active members being killed, that either you or I will be killed. Less likely to be you based on my read so far though.

Moratorium · Post Post #184 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:48 am

In post 182, Xayzeck wrote:because there's no setup where a cop fakeclaim wouldn't get cc'd

given the real cop does cc

I don't understand you. Describe some scenarios or something.

Xayzeck · Post Post #185 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:52 am

	A	B	C
1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town Doctor
3	1st Bulletproof Townie	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

plugged from the mod for reference sake

let's say we're playing in setup 1. a 1-shot bp fakeclaim would go uncced and the only pr, jailkeeper, can look at the setup and think "oh, since nobody ccs he should be the 1-shot bp and we're in setup a"

if we're playing in setup B, a doctor fakaclaim would go uncced and the only pr, cop, can look at the setup and think "oh, since nobody ccs he should be the doc and we're in setup 2"

this doesn't work with a copclaim.

Moratorium · Post Post #186 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:53 am

In post 183, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:However, I expect due to our activity levels alone and the ease with which the game can play out with more active members being killed, that either you or I will be killed. Less likely to be you based on my read so far though.

You are excluding Shinobi from this thought process?

Xayzeck · Post Post #187 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:55 am

In post 183, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Less likely to be you based on my read so far though.

does that mean you're scumreading him?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #188 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:59 am

Yeah, Shinobi is active but not quite as active as we are. In saying that, my point was mostly about the two of us questioning/putting pressure on different players in the game. I just realized that you haven't actually been scumhunting all that much. You focused on Xayzeck in the beginning and now myself during the middle stages, and that's about it.

However, for arguments sake, let's say you, Shinobi and myself were the first 3 players to get lynched/killed. The game seems pretty easy for scum right?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #189 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:00 am

In post 187, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 183, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Less likely to be you based on my read so far though.
does that mean you're scumreading him?

Yes. I openly stated in my reads when I posted them that I was leaning towards scum. I had a very hard time reading him in the beginning but for reasons stated in my read, I am leaning towards scum right now. Nothing has happened in the past few days to change my mind.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #190 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:03 am

In addition, after I gave a scum-read on him, he proceeded to say he had a scum-read on myself because I pointed out that "I was probably the most active player in this game". Since that reasoning, he hasn't let go.

Moratorium · Post Post #191 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:07 am

In post 185, Xayzeck wrote:
A B C

1 Town Jailkeeper Vanilla Townie Mafia Goon

2 Mafia Roleblocker Town Cop Town Doctor

3 1st Bulletproof Townie Mafia Goon Town Tracker

plugged from the mod for reference sake

let's say we're playing in setup 1. a 1-shot bp fakeclaim would go uncced and the only pr, jailkeeper, can look at the setup and think "oh, since nobody ccs he should be the 1-shot bp and we're in setup a"

if we're playing in setup B, a doctor fakaclaim would go uncced and the only pr, cop, can look at the setup and think "oh, since nobody ccs he should be the doc and we're in setup 2"

this doesn't work with a copclaim.

Why does this mean that a fakeclaimed Cop must be countered?

Xayzeck · Post Post #192 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:10 am

In post 182, Xayzeck wrote:given the real cop does cc

given that any pr does chose to cc, the fakeclaim would get called immediately

from my experience, it's probably one of those roles you don't want to claim if you're trying to avoid a cc.

Moratorium · Post Post #193 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:11 am

In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In addition, after I gave a scum-read on him, he proceeded to say he had a scum-read on myself because I pointed out that "I was probably the most active player in this game". Since that reasoning, he hasn't let go.

Wasn't this me?

Shinobi has been fence-sitting for a while.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #194 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:12 am

In post 193, Moratorium wrote:
In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In addition, after I gave a scum-read on him, he proceeded to say he had a scum-read on myself because I pointed out that "I was probably the most active player in this game". Since that reasoning, he hasn't let go.
Wasn't this me?

Shinobi has been fence-sitting for a while.

Wasn't what you? I don't understand

Moratorium · Post Post #195 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:14 am

Is post 190 a description of Shinobi?

Wolfy · Post Post #196 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:14 am

In post 192, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 182, Xayzeck wrote:given the real cop does cc
given that any pr does chose to cc, the fakeclaim would get called immediately

from my experience, it's probably one of those roles you don't want to claim if you're trying to avoid a cc.

I'm totally lost on this.
I cannot imagine counter claiming a fake cop claim on day 1 under any circumstances - that's if I was the real cop or if I had a role that meant I knew there couldn't be a cop.
Why would anybody ever cc this on day 1? What would be the point?

Xayzeck · Post Post #197 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:17 am

In post 182, Xayzeck wrote:given the real cop does cc

In post 192, Xayzeck wrote:given that any pr does chose to cc

pls read thx

Xayzeck · Post Post #198 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:20 am

In post 196, Wolfy wrote:I'm totally lost on this.
I cannot imagine counter claiming a fake cop claim on day 1 under any circumstances - that's if I was the real cop or if I had a role that meant I knew there couldn't be a cop.
Why would anybody ever cc this on day 1? What would be the point?

yes i get that they wouldn't actually cc because that'd almost guarantee their death, but if you were cop and someone else claimed cop, you've found 1 scum already. you don't have to cc to tell everyone else he's scum, you can look for scumtells in his posts to prove to the rest of the town he's scum, and it's easier because you already know he's scum. if you someone get nightkilled and flip cop, MM would get rope immediately. while there's no visible benefits ccing a cop fakeclaim, there's no visible benefits in claiming cop at all

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #199 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:26 am

In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In addition, after I gave a scum-read on him, he proceeded to say he had a scum-read on myself because I pointed out that "I was probably the most active player in this game". Since that reasoning, he hasn't let go.

In post 195, Moratorium wrote:Is post 190 a description of Shinobi?

No, I'll clear this up. I meant after I gave a scum-read on you (Mora), you (Mora) proceeded to give myself a scum-read a few posts later with the reason being because I pointed out that I had probably been the most active player, this makes me scummy. Since then, you have not given up on me, from what was a pretty weak read in the first place.