Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[DrippingGoofball]

WTF, DGB? [...] [blah] [blah] [blah] [...] I think you need to reevaluate your logic there, DGB.

Defensive much?

[Phoebus]

Vote count:

1 Battle Mage (theopor_COD)
1 DrippingGoofball (Akbar)
2 Mastermind of Sin (DrippingGoofball, Raffles)

5 Raffles (Fuldu, Kison, Mastermind of Sin, Mr. Flay, spectrumvoid)

1 XReyoX (Battle Mage)

Not voting: 9

10 to lynch

[XReyoX]

Because later in the game, there are less people overall to recruit from, and if you kill too many townies, the scum will just NK all the cult and win the game.

Why is it a problem later in the game but not earlier. I don't see why they wouldn't maximize their chance to win by trying to lynch scum other than townie in the very begining. There is no reason why a cult would like to lynch the town.

[XReyoX]

The town as a whole is still a thread to the cult.

No they aren't. Only the scums are. Although their alignment is anti-town. When all scums are dead. cult wins for sure as long as the leader doesn't die. only one member can die because of the lynch. But the leader can recruit one member each night. No loss. A town lynch hurts the cult as much as the town because they have less people to recruit from.

[XReyoX]

adjustment to my 703. sorry I don't want to mean they aren't. I wanna say the mafia are much a greater thread to them than the town. I dun see they would want a town lynch.

[XReyoX]

And they wouldn't want the mafia to kill the town power-roles as well. When they recruit those people. They can use them to their own advantage. Recuiting a doc to protect the leader would be ideal.

[Phoebus]

Shanba replaces remussaidow

[Shanba]

/in dude!

Lemme read the thread, hough I was following most of day 1 so it shouldn't take too long

[Mr. Flay]

As for second point, I think I had that confused with Mr. Flay's sytem.

My system of what?

Also, power roles are often (but not always) unrecruitable by cults.

I do agree with DGB on one thing: I think XReyoX is playing a much better game today. The charitable interpretation of this is that he is learn on his second Day on MafiaScum. The suspicious interpretation is that he's been coached at night. For now, I'm content to think the former,

especially

if Raffles turns out scum.

[XReyoX]

I'm suprised by myself as well XD. I'm in two games and I've been playing much better in the other as well. Actually feel like I'm not producing junks. Basicly its theopor_COD's giant post just before the end of D1 taught me how to do a pbp properly. I didn't know I can sort out the users post by name at the bottom. Nor did I read the CDB's noobie guide until N1 when I had nothing to do. We also had much more information from what has happened. Back in D1. I could figure out NOTHING. serious. I didn't know what to do. When i want to accuse people of lurking, 50% of us weren't posting, so there wasn't any point.

[Mastermind of Sin]

WTF, DGB? [...] [blah] [blah] [blah] [...] I think you need to reevaluate your logic there, DGB.

Defensive much?

Nope. Lack of reading skills much?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Reyo, town power roles such as vigs and cops can skew the game in the town's favor when it's just town vs cult. Like I said, lynching mafia is still generally preferrable, but it's not something that cults usually have to worry about early in the game. There is a fine line between lynching the mafia quickly enough and getting rid of them

too

early, which puts things in the town's advantage. Either way, though, I have to agree with other people that talking about optimal cult strategy is probably not a good idea right now. There's no need to coach them any more than you have already.

[theopor_COD]

I'll try and do some kind of recap of where my thoughts are at today or tomorrow, this game is moving pretty swiftly so I've missed most of the recent content but I'll re-read and post asap.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Mr. Flay, Reyo, what do you think of DGB's arguments against me?

[XReyoX]

DGB's reason doesn't look valid to me. I don't see how you are opportunistic (as decribed by DGB). My danger was over yesterday i believe and I don't see reason why it would build up again today for those reasons.

But still I don't agree with some of your theories.

[DrippingGoofball]

Mr. Flay, Reyo, what do you think of DGB's arguments against me?

Mmm, trying to build up momentum for a third opportunistic target?

[DrippingGoofball]

You only have one vote, MoS. I have to wonder why that gets your knickers in a twist. Nervous, are we?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Nope, but if you leave things to fester, even baseless arguments such as yours can become a bandwagon. I asked Mr. Flay and Reyo what they thought because they are some of the few people that are actually posting right now. Since they hadn't commented on you yet, I asked for their opinion. I'm not sure if you're scum or not right now, but if Raffles is scum, that's definitely a point in favor of you being scum as well.

[Fuldu]

But Raffles' unvote as the deadline loomed is scummy to me in the "oh crap I'm gonna lynch a townie" sense

I think most of Flay's reasoning is sound and some of it accords with the reason I'm voting Raffles, but the above quoted line is pretty clearly a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. If OTU had turned up scum, we'd all certainly be all over Raffles for his "trying to avoid lynching a scum buddy." So what arguments like the above do is create strong inertia in favor of whatever bandwagon happens to be going on. Obviously, there are ways to counter that - offering a legitimate reason for unvoting (something that Flay points out Raffles didn't really do). But if we're going to vote for people who get off townie lynches that go through anyway

and

we're going to vote for people who get off scum lynches that go through anyway, it's going to become harder to derail any bandwagon.

[Mr. Flay]

You're omitting the part of that post that gives it healthy context: Raffles was simultaneously asking for someone else to cast a lynch-ensuring vote while unvoting himself. That's the part that tips it over the edge; that, and as someone else mentioned, there was nothing OTU

did

in that time frame to make anyone any less suspicious of him.

I've got no opinion about DGB at this point, except that it's nice to see her posting again. We've still got too many silent partners in this game, and I don't see anything out of the ordinary in MoS's or DGB's behavior at this point.

[DrippingGoofball]

Nope, but if you leave things to fester, even baseless arguments such as yours can become a bandwagon.

There was one post against you (mine) and one vote against you (mine). If my argument is baseless, what are the chances that it swells into a full-blown bandwagon? Pretty remote, don't you think? So I have to wonder about the over-reaction. You really took me aback. Like, whoa! Did I touch a raw nerve? A scummy raw nerve?

[DrippingGoofball]

Is there an error in the votecount? I don't think Raffles voted for MoS.

[XReyoX]

@MoS. How does raffles being a scum makes DGB oneas well?

[XReyoX]

Raffles has unvoted. He said he would hammer if he could be here. The missing piece is that he didn't say that he unvote so that OTU wouldn't be quicklynch and allows him to claim.

This is what I understnad from his explanation.

[XReyoX]

If he is town. I think this is what he is thinking in chronological order.

1) otu is suspecious because he is not replying.
waiting
waiting.
2)Dealine announced
3)realized won't be here on the deadline
4) don't think Otu is scum anymore.
5) realize that he would be lynch anyway because no one else is building up a wagon.
6) Unvote anyway, so that he has a better chance to claim before he died. (But still want him to be lynch rather than no lynch)
7) ask someone to hammer for him when he is not here.

-------- the above would be true i think, if he is town -----

The problem is 4). We've wait for a long time and this is one of the point why otu is suspious. I think that waiting longer and longer would only make him more and more suspicious, not the way raffles said he suddenly think he is pro-town.

The second point is raffle want him to be lynched even he thinks he is protown. If I were him, I would put more effort into interogating Pbug, kison and remus at that time which might have a potential (although not very high) to build a wagon. if I think someone is pro-town, I would say lynching anyone else would be better. He didn't show effort in doing so.

If he so wanted to hammer otu. One day before the deadline doesn't really make a different. Even if he claims, scum would just act as if they are not here and let the deadline come. otu will die anyway.

The last point is that he doesn't seems to know that we only need 6 votes to lynch even though it has been discussed and clearly stated.