Newbie 1495 (DAY 4) - The One where Everyone got Murdered

[Jcozmo]

Well I was hoping for more info before a hammer - didn't expect that much.

Xayzeck, again, what are your current reads?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Mala:
You seem completely active this game as scum. A most recently completed game. Like today.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=38067

I am hard pressed to find out the games where you got lynched, town/scum. I just seem to see you keep getting NKed or endgamed. Only found one game where you were town when you got lynched. I am lazy to search anymore so....

Oh for fuck's sake.

Mala, why the hell did you do that?

Vote Count Analysis

We get it. I flip-flopped a lot on this lynch. You didn't need a graph to tell us. I'm still not convinced that Mala is scum, but her last statement is going to lead to her getting lynched no matter what.

MM, do me a favor and check me so I don't get lynched tomorrow if she flips scum.

I'd be cool with just a mass voteflip to Shinobi, FYI.

Shinobi is town. Those two bolded statements really stood out for me.

His over-reaction is understandable in my opinion. After being accused of lacking conviction, he is now showing those accusations to be wrong with his defence of Mala. He is going against the majority, trying to defend somebody from being lynched because he doesn't believe she is scum. His over-reaction, I believe, is because his actions in trying to defend Mala have made him come across as scummy. If Mala flips scum, Shinobi is very likely to be under pressure and is also a likely lynch for D2. However, having said that, I agree with Enomis(?), I think defend is the wrong word as he hasn't actually defended her. I would say hesitant is more accurate.

His bold statement of asking the cop to check him also makes me believe he is town. Although, there are a couple of things that stand out for me with this one. If he is scum, he obviously knows whether there is a roleblocker or not and simply roleblocking the cop gives him more time to argue his case on D2. Secondly, MM isn't the most active of players. There is a very good chance that the cop doesn't even look anybody up.

His vote and unvote, like Mora's, is still unsettling though. I am reading him as town, for now.

[Moratorium]

His bold statement of asking the cop to check him also makes me believe he is town.

Please check me, cop.

Mala boldly stated that she is town, by the way.

Oh, and MM still says he's not mafia. (hey, that one is probably true!)

You seem to rely on "bold statements" as much as Mala relies on meta. People have been known to lie out their ass in this game. Just sayin'.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

His bold statement of asking the cop to check him also makes me believe he is town.

Please check me, cop.

Mala boldly stated that she is town, by the way.

Oh, and MM still says he's not mafia. (hey, that one is probably true!)

You seem to rely on "bold statements" as much as Mala relies on meta. People have been known to lie out their ass in this game. Just sayin'.

I hope the cop does check you, that would be nice.

I didn't mean he boldly stated he was town, you have misunderstood my post

Yeah, I was right to believe MM wasn't I? Sometimes, the simplest posts are the most truthful.

I don't believe people lie in this game. What would be the point? Just declare you're scum, get lynched, easy game. Right?

[Moratorium]

"Everton has a chance of winning the premiership this year"

BOLD STATEMENT.

[JacobSavage]

Votecount 1.9

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Malakittens [3]:

Wolfy, BlueBloodedToffee, enomis

Xayzeck [2]:

Jcozmo

enomis [1]:

Malakittens

No Lynch [1]:

Mafia Moderator

Not Voting [2]: Shinob, Xayzeck, Moratorium

With 9 alive it takes

5

to lynch[/i]

Deadline on the 27^rdApril at 0900 BST

((expired on 2014-04-27 09:00:00))

Also heads up, I have an exam on Saturday Morning so might not as prompt as I always am on prods and the like >_>

[Jcozmo]

I don't know how I'm gonna make it through a full day one. I guess I'll need to do multiple games....

[enomis]

I'd be cool with just a mass voteflip to Shinobi, FYI.

@Moratorium

: Let's see whats his argument first.

Shinobi is town. Those two bolded statements really stood out for me.

His over-reaction is understandable in my opinion. After being accused of lacking conviction, he is now showing those accusations to be wrong with his defence of Mala. He is going against the majority, trying to defend somebody from being lynched because he doesn't believe she is scum. His over-reaction, I believe, is because his actions in trying to defend Mala have made him come across as scummy. If Mala flips scum, Shinobi is very likely to be under pressure and is also a likely lynch for D2. However, having said that, I agree with Enomis(?), I think defend is the wrong word as he hasn't actually defended her. I would say hesitant is more accurate.

His bold statement of asking the cop to check him also makes me believe he is town. Although, there are a couple of things that stand out for me with this one. If he is scum, he obviously knows whether there is a roleblocker or not and simply roleblocking the cop gives him more time to argue his case on D2. Secondly, MM isn't the most active of players. There is a very good chance that the cop doesn't even look anybody up.

His vote and unvote, like Mora's, is still unsettling though. I am reading him as town, for now.

@BBT

:
Pro tip 1: Could you let Shinobi answer himself first before you defend him? I would like less outside influence when i interrogate people so that i can read his response better.

And no BBT, you got to get the sequence of events right. At that time of overreaction, He

DID NOT DEFEND MALA AT ALL

. Therefore, he was not sure whether mala is town/scum at that point. The towntold defence happened after that.

@Shinobi

: I am still waiting.

[Wolfy]

Reads as follows:

Town:

Mm
Eco (that guy)
Shin

Null-Leaning town:

Mora

Null-leaning scum:

Xayz

Scum:

{BBT/Wolfy}
Enomis

So Mala, if we don't lynch you who are you proposing we lynch?
We have less than 40 hours and I know you don't want a no lynch.
I know your vote is on Enomis but I'm not seeing your case.
Rather than just defending yourself, how about helping us noobs by developing the case on enomis?

[Wolfy]

Some thoughts on night action...

Cop needs to be checking Mora on the off chance that it gets through.
Because of the outed D1 cop, the only way we can win this game imo is with:

• a. capable, experienced conf town
  b. conf scum

Cop checking Mora will give us that.

Having said that it's clear that MM is going to die tonight unless there's a doctor (particularly if Mora is scum)
If there is a doctor then there's also a roleblocker so MM still doesn't get a read.

So, is there any point in the doctor (if he exists) protecting the claimed cop?

[enomis]

@Wolfy: That needs to depend on the doctor. A claimed cop is conf town, and conf town is always useful. But however, since he knows scum wouldn't kill the cop since scum would know there's a doctor, the doctor may not need to protect the cop.
So, all in all, it depends on the doc choice. Protect the cop or protect others. Both are fine.
Also, If we lynch the roleblocker, the cop can use his PR powers again.

[Moratorium]

Mala just towntold. Not near a computer right now but this lynch is wrong.

Will explain when I get the chance.

If I stare at this post long enough, will the explanation come faster? That's how this works, I think. Yes, yes, surely Shinobi will deliver.

[Moratorium]

Just lynch me. Wicked helped me gain confident that I'm not gonna be totally fucked by meta when I'm scum. I'm done being lynched every single time as either alignment. Wicked was my stepping stone. My scum play went south when I rolled scum 8-9 times in a row with two town games in between. I created evil regals because I needed a break from everyone knowing my meta and I wanted a fresh start.

My lynch is inevitable right now. If its not now it will be in the future. I'm a distraction; town thinks I'm scummy; scum sees me as a easy lynch.

I derp'd. I forgot the setup, I didn't have astounding reads.

So lynch me. I'm at L-1 and I'm a VT.

Reads as follows:

Town:

Mm
Eco (that guy)
Shin

Null-Leaning town:

Mora

Null-leaning scum:

Xayz

Scum:

{BBT/Wolfy}
Enomis

Also guys wicked just ended last night. My posts yesterday about meta were during the day. I won't a) talk about ongoing games b) comprise the game by saying 'oh yeah btw I have recently destroyed my scum meta by manipulating a game!' When it's not finished.

I worked my ass off in wicked to get where I was there and wasn't jereopadizing it here even though I was self meta'ing.

Here's her 2 posts in their entirety. I'll put aside for now the wierd notion that Mala is still using "stepping stone" games when she has 7500 posts in under 2 years on this site (that's a lot of mafia!). I'll put aside the "I need a break from meta, by the way here's my meta". I'll put aside the Appeal to Emotion stuff, and the reads are I guess only useful post-flip. None of that is "towntelling" as far as I can see.

Second post, there's yet another "go look at my meta" statement... and the final sentence is "seriously, go look at my meta".

I don't get it, what's the towntell?

[Xayzeck]

@Xayzeck:

Hey bro. If you are not seeing the mala thing. Question your upmost scumread or do something? Or even if you feel that she's town, ACTUALLY defend her?

So you needed a computer to type, No, i don't see mala as scum. She seems like town flailing.

Really, you needed a computer to do that?

Tsk tsk tsk. I really feel like switching my vote back to you.

I townread her because her play looked like the townplay I saw, I thought that was pretty clear, I guess not.

And seriously? It's obviously easier to assess people on a computer. I skim posts on a phone, so normally if a game walls like crazy(this one especially), I'll wait until I'm on a computer before I do it. We are obviously not in a rush for a lynch, I don't know why you are so concerned with me putting this game back a few hours.

That as a scumtell is a incredibly weak. I'm really not impressed.

[Xayzeck]

Well I was hoping for more info before a hammer - didn't expect that much.

Xayzeck, again, what are your current reads?

townreading BBT, Shinobi, Mora, MM

nulltown on you

Wolfy and Mala i'm not sure of. I've got reasons to scumread and townread both of them, so I can't really decide

I'm scumreading enomis

[Moratorium]

Shinobi's already kinda made an attempt at explaining his lack of voting, but I still don't know why MM is no lynching, and I don't know why you aren't voting, Xayzeck. Hell, you unvoted when you didn't have a vote on anyone.

[Xayzeck]

No I'm pretty sure I unvoted Wolfy

VOTE: enomis[/unvote]

[Moratorium]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh...........

I also haaaaaaaaate the VCA on enomis.

How the hell did I get here.

[Moratorium]

You unvoted twice in a row.... WHO CARES I DON'T CARE GOD THIS GAME

[Xayzeck]

lol i failed the vote so bad

VOTE: enomis

[Xayzeck]

You unvoted twice in a row.... WHO CARES I DON'T CARE GOD THIS GAME

oh

i never noticed that myself

[Moratorium]

I feel like I'm borderline policy-lynching at this point and I HATE THAT.... god dammit you people need to get on here and EXPLAIN YOURSELVES...

i'm having a mental breakdown

[Xayzeck]

are you talking to everyone or is that like very specifically for me?

[Moratorium]

Mala for one.

Shinobi for two.

MafiaModerator for three.

And you, make me a case on enomis. Flesh it out. Use a computer, even.

MY CONFIDENCE IS SHATTERED.

[Xayzeck]

I am on a computer

I don't do cases though

Like really I've never done a case ever