And why are you so certain that RBD janitored by town?
If mastin is scum with RBD, surely her team would have mountains of motivation to Janitor RBD if possible.
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He thinks you are scum.In post 4340, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 3924, CarbonFiber wrote:I want to hear if anyone has any other thoughts before moving forward.
UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Carbon FiberIn post 3994, CarbonFiber wrote:That's exactly what I was worried would happen with Mastin and AP making a ton of noise but neither getting lynched and lurkertown was deadline lynched instead.
Id continue the line of questioning I started about your lack of vote and all that, but I just cant be fucked too. This vote probably wont move before deadline.
P-edit: Except you aren't doing that because I was explicitly trying to be reasonable in my catchup and you flatout ignored my questions that were rather tangible and reasonable just to blow me off and give me some shit about my wallpost that I half took-back after realizing it was in response to Titan talking about Wicked.
Me, I'd talk to you all sweet and nice like you convinced me you weren't scum to try and get you to out your buddies. And I might do it poorly, but other than that I'd probably not much listen to you.
Point is, trying to work with someone that thinks you're scum is hard to do, so not sure why you are trying to work with Carbon and then getting bent out of shape about it when he doesn't want to.
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Once again, I can and am blaming mastin for that.In post 4349, CarbonFiber wrote:Maybe. But after that back-and-forth with Bulbazak in that Micro game, I have an aversion towards interacting with players that I can sense will create a lot of noise if interacted with and too little content-
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Yeah but being non-committal and wishy washy isn't necessarily a scumtell. I feel non-committal and wishy washy right now. Why isn't it a problem for you that I am?In post 4328, AngryPidgeon wrote:Actually Belisarius is 90% of the reason I think Stalin is town.
ffery has been non-commital and wishywashy. Beli is actually fairly transparent with his thoughts.Half troll/Half wall.
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I'm not from there.In post 4343, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:So, question to thread at large. Anyone else from Tales of Rebirth?I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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then why are you interacting with me when it looks like I'm not going to produce much useful content toDay?In post 4349, CarbonFiber wrote:
Maybe. But after that back-and-forth with Bulbazak in that Micro game, I have an aversion towards interacting with players that I can sense will create a lot of noise if interacted with and too little content. But that was a Micro game and I don't care as much about getting into wall wars in smaller games.In post 4345, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:Which, if AP is town, makes his observation a reasonable one. There's no one else in the game thread you're that amicable with.Hydra of fferylt and Belisarius; clever signature line to be decided laterUser formerly known as Sc*mf*ck.-
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Tammy, what is your read on Mastin?In post 4346, Titan wrote:OMIGODS I just caught that "distracting from the mastin lynch" nonsense. Before I got barraged with stupid questions and baiting pere, by you, you know saying I wasn't scumhunting, I was talking to people about dun dun fun MASTIN!!!
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In particular, I caught something here, though I can't remember it now. I think it had to do with his overall stance on me; not sure how.Spoiler: AP PostI think it had to do with AP's read progression.Spoiler: Same with this one
Especially here, ESPECIALLY given that I explained it in things that AP hasn't quoted.In post 4287, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 4019, MastinSSK wrote:You've been a nullread. Not a scumread. But assuming a scum gladiator. Not a chance in fucking hell would it be Rancid.
K, so this is just untrue given your narrow suspect pool which has Orcinus in it rather verbosely. And the bit about gladiators is irrelevant and doesn't really mesh with you reportedly thinking Orcinus is 'null' right here.
In fact, Orcinus comes out looking pretty town here.
Huh, maybe mastin is just scum. This argument with Orcinus is really terrible. Orcinus claimed because he was getting ran up. That doesnt make him any more or less likely to be scum. And mastin is seemingly simultaneously arguing that one of the gladiators is probably scum and therefore must be orcinus (terrible) and also that the claim itself was scummy despite them being a "null read". I mean wow the cognitive dissonance is at an all new level here.In post 4046, MastinSSK wrote:Except that you're trying to have cake while eating it. The circumstances of your claim were desperation, and a need to use the role to 'prove' yourself. Rancid, not so much.
Thus, of the two, Rancid's was townier.
It's a trivial argument overall, though. Since I'm not even sure of a scum gladiator. (I suspect as much, though.)
"I don't really trust anyone" *next line* "I'm basically trusting you".In post 4293, AngryPidgeon wrote:TBH, I'm not reading any posts from anybody that make me want to just trust them this game.
I get your paranoia of BRO/Desp. If F16 is actually town, I may end up looking there. After catching up a lot of posts really quick, I see they are sort of coasting on Yesterday's towncred and opinions. I havent seen anything very intereting from them recently except Desperado's push on Stalin which I don't really understand the origin of.
Ironically, these very traits AP's not-stronger-townreading-them for are the very things I'm beginning to see as coming from them as town.Their opinions have been mostly static (the Stalin pressure form Desp being the only thing that really wasnt that I see) and everything else they've said looks pretty conf-biasy regardless.
This read feels out of place overall, though. Seems too low.Like it looked pretty town and Im sure the emotion was genuine, but I just have a hard time with that cause I know I -could- do that as scum.
And this reeks of bullshit, and of being too high.Orcinus. The large lack of content from this slot is annoying, but the mini-war with Mastin and the "lets 1v1" seemed fairly unabashedly town to me. If I were super motivated, Id probably read Teenwolf mafia to compare him to, but I wont cause fuck that. The reaction to mastin calling him scummy for his role looked town for reasons Im having a hard time articulating which maybe is partly why Orcinus isn't in my higher tier list which I briefly considered putting him in. I just have a hard time seeing Orcinus as scum pushing on mastin so hard for that. It felt really strongly that Orcinus believed his points against mastin I guess.
This seems like a better description of a reason for a Stalin townread, yet Stalin is lower in the list, even marked with a question mark of uncertainty.I have a little bit of a hard time folllowing where they want to go, but their reported lack of scumreads does make a lot of sense with their behavior and the hydra dissonance they post is pretty damn artful if they are actually scum.
And again. Really, really. Don't think. AP would ever truly consider. An actual policy-lynch.At this point, can I lynch her for the toldYaSo and policy lynch factor? Maybe.
And his posting really doesn't seem to be reflecting these as his scumreads.F-16, Nacho, PV, Panda, Yggdra, Red Gary.
Literally the last damn post of mine on page two of my iso, I said the same fucking thing. Why is it more notable now? I've recovered and then relapsed for half a fucking week.In post 4296, AngryPidgeon wrote:I see mastin admitted that she isn't actually accomplishing anything finally.
To me? There was no way.TBH it did look terrible that mastin was interjecting to buddy up to F16's questions when BRO -DID- just post something from left field about F16 that stalin was trying to clarify F-16's reaction about with F-16.
No damn way.
BROseidon's post could be read that way legitimately.
Like. Reading the rest of the post aside from that one damn line itself made it apparent. His tone, his language, his sentence structure, his positions throughout the day, and his lack of vote. All made it crystal-clear apparent that what he meant is that scumreading F-16 is a scumclaim.
Thus, why focusing on what was obviously a typo was...
...Nothing but a distraction.
If I was using it as defense?In post 4300, PeregrineV wrote:Your deep in-depth knowledge of what you would do as scum and pointing out that you are doing the opposite of it negates any argument you make using that knowledge.
Yeah.
But I'm not. I'm using it as offense. Because these? Are things that Nacho KNOWS about me.
Fuck, AP's basically scum and even he's admitted that they're true about me. (Not like he has any choice, though, since if he didn't, then he'd confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt himself to be scum. Rancid described it fairly well. As scum, I'm forced to townread zMuffinman and AP, because scumreading either of them is a red flag. As scum, Rancid's forced to townread me, for the same reason. And as scum, AP's forced to townread me, because I will be down his throat if not.)
It is. Read the damn mindset, not the damn past-games-of-mine. I advocate playing in the fucking present for exactly this fucking reason. The mindset that game was to get Tammy off of me. The mindset this game is to get ffery back so that I can actually work with her and stop the fucking rift that formed from getting larger.In post 4301, CarbonFiber wrote:So, I wondered more than once if my view of the gamestate was horribly wrong after Mastin's post to ffery but the AoT links makes me feel that it isn't.
I'm not. Not anymore. They *could* be scum, but I feel like I hit on the core of the matter, in my rage. Basically...two likeminded people butt heads. They feel similarly about the other, blinded to the others' feelings. They pin it on the other, and not themselves, creating hostility. And whatnot.In post 4302, CarbonFiber wrote:I mean, besides Mastin obviously.
Fire Forged Friends was the best description I could think of, of that clash against one another with great hostility, and then...suddenly. Something clicking into place. I could be horribly wrong. That she'sactuallyscum, who I correctly called out. But I really think. That I figured it out. That she was going through the same thing I did, and have been, and will likely go into again. (At the very moment I'm typing this, slightly calmed down.)
And that? Means town, and means I need to redouble efforts to fix things.-
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Ok, I might rant a little here and it might be peripherally related, but Im gonna try and stay on track. I *HATE* the whole "X is treating me like town despite having a scumrad on me, they must be scum" tell. That almost always lands on town and I think its terrible to expect someone to treat scumreads like DGB does just because they are scum. Doing that is arrogant and encourages confirmation bias. If F16 is town, if he took maybe one iota of effort to interact with me and indulge my attempts to scumhunt him, maybe he would wake the fuck up and stop shoving a crappy connection case to me on Mastin because Mastin and I have apparently been just x-bussing and scum theatreing all game (because apparently we really are just bad. He hasnt made a single comment about why Im scummy other than Im just clearly getting bussed to hell and back by BOTH my buddies and being upset about it so I must be scum. And despite my attempts to try and ask him questions about perceived inconsistencies he doesn't actually bother to help me or himself by even acknowledging that I said jackshit. And when I call him on it I get a "Ya whatever, I may or may not respond to you later cause I dont care" when his "scumread" on me is based on unflipped players in the first place and hes either too scum or too arrogant to reconsider it. Instead he spends all his time whispering sweet nothings in Tammy's ear and insulting me on a personal level.In post 4351, PeregrineV wrote:Me, I'd talk to you all sweet and nice like you convinced me you weren't scum to try and get you to out your buddies. And I might do it poorly, but other than that I'd probably not much listen to you.
Point is, trying to work with someone that thinks you're scum is hard to do, so not sure why you are trying to work with Carbon and then getting bent out of shape about it when he doesn't want to.
So I really dont care. I did honestly try to be civil just now and that worked like shit for me so its back to tunnelfuck mode.-
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I don't think its a scumtell or I'd be waffling harder on them. I just find it annoying and its difficult for me to parse. I read players who are more stream of thoughts oriented better (*sigh, mastin*) because I like to read things carefully and just take in the opinions and feel out whether or not I can see that player doing that. People who are all over the place are easier to do that for in my opinion cause they document readily all the things that make them think what they think. Its less about the content and more about whether I think the opinions match omething reasonable. Ffery has been rather nebulous this game and that was part of my pressure on her D1 was to get her to do something (like lay a vote down) so I could pass a better judgment there.In post 4353, Titan wrote:
Yeah but being non-committal and wishy washy isn't necessarily a scumtell. I feel non-committal and wishy washy right now. Why isn't it a problem for you that I am?In post 4328, AngryPidgeon wrote:Actually Belisarius is 90% of the reason I think Stalin is town.
ffery has been non-commital and wishywashy. Beli is actually fairly transparent with his thoughts.
Belisarius posts are more flash-bang and I can get a sense of where he is looking and why. In particular, I think his mastin pressure looks town from him.
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Spoilered because I don't think people want to scroll down through it every time they come across it.
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Last time I checked your ISO to fact check something you claimed, and then posted it, you got snarky, my townread on you diminished, you got mad, I got snarky, and now your not talking to me except to tell me how confused this game has made you.In post 4359, Titan wrote:Spoiler: mastin's alignment
I'm so glad in my awful iso, you've noticed everything I've said about mastin. I'm so glad you're about to pull up everything I've said about mastin and be snarky and high and mighty about it. I'm going to be so glad to ignore it.
I wouldn't dare ISO your everchanging Mastin opinion or methods of sumhunting Mastin. That would be meta from 2 weeks ago, and totally not how you are now.
So, in my game notes, I'll put down "Tammy has Mastin as null for reasons not yet researched."
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Well, I think AP's scum, too, but in the interest of fairness, if I was somehow wrong, I'd want you to put in the effort to get on the same page as him simply because that's something I also want from you to me.In post 4329, CarbonFiber wrote:I think you are scum and don't particularly care whether or not you are on the same page as me.
AP's post about the wall was horrible, though.
Well, yeah. He has been. But I've actually felt like he's put in a lot of serious effort to trying, today. A whole lot more than he did yesterday.In post 4333, AngryPidgeon wrote:Jesus. you wonder why RBD was so pissed off at you, this is why. You are so fucking full of yourself. Its been a great displeasure this game CF.
(One of the reasons I think he's scum, btw.)In post 4337, CarbonFiber wrote:I'm ignoring you because you are going into a "refute and debate" mode. It doesn't seem like you were genuinely trying to figure out my affiliation or see where I am coming from. You are not handling suspicion in a "reasonable" way. That's part of why I didn't mind interacting with Ffery/Beli because even when I questioned their affiliation, they are still talking about it in a mature way.
Like hell it won't. 'Specially if I ticked you off. (Well, I'm not going to do so intentionally, but I'm not going to go out of my way to not tick you off, sooooooooooooooo...)In post 4340, AngryPidgeon wrote:This vote probably wont move before deadline.
Well, yeah, he was, but now, he's looking at other factors, other things about us.In post 4344, AngryPidgeon wrote:Oh also you are scumreading me and mastin and RBD on a connection case that is just bad.
Also true, but something you haven't picked up on but that I have is that F-16 is reconsidering his stances on the matter. Like, thinking we're both scum but knowing only one of us would be, for instance.There is LITERALLY no way mastin or I would be doing this as scum buddies. Literally. And from someone who has apparently been wellread in mastin meta, you should know this.
If I'm scum with Rancid, we keep our fucking strongest scum player alive during the night, not make them vanish overnight, exposing me to attack with nobody (aside from Mac, who ended up dead) to defend me.In post 4350, AngryPidgeon wrote:If mastin is scum with RBD, surely her team would have mountains of motivation to Janitor RBD if possible.-
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self meta ho.In post 4360, AngryPidgeon wrote:
I don't think its a scumtell or I'd be waffling harder on them. I just find it annoying and its difficult for me to parse. I read players who are more stream of thoughts oriented better (*sigh, mastin*) because I like to read things carefully and just take in the opinions and feel out whether or not I can see that player doing that. People who are all over the place are easier to do that for in my opinion cause they document readily all the things that make them think what they think. Its less about the content and more about whether I think the opinions match omething reasonable. Ffery has been rather nebulous this game and that was part of my pressure on her D1 was to get her to do something (like lay a vote down) so I could pass a better judgment there.In post 4353, Titan wrote:
Yeah but being non-committal and wishy washy isn't necessarily a scumtell. I feel non-committal and wishy washy right now. Why isn't it a problem for you that I am?In post 4328, AngryPidgeon wrote:Actually Belisarius is 90% of the reason I think Stalin is town.
ffery has been non-commital and wishywashy. Beli is actually fairly transparent with his thoughts.
Belisarius posts are more flash-bang and I can get a sense of where he is looking and why. In particular, I think his mastin pressure looks town from him.
P-edit: lol.
This is nothing like how I hedge as scum. And I've dropped my usual approach as town as well because I usually don't put my mid-states in the thread and most of the waffle other players see is more of the light switch variety, with reverse trajectory tacked on. I'm not getting to end points, and it's frustrating. You guys are along for the ride until such time as I do either firm up a stance permanently or start swinging all the way to the endpoints before changing course.
As scum, I'd want to take a fucking stance or two and let the attention drift elsewhere.Hydra of fferylt and Belisarius; clever signature line to be decided laterUser formerly known as Sc*mf*ck.-
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In post 4362, PeregrineV wrote:
Last time I checked your ISO to fact check something you claimed, and then posted it, you got snarky, my townread on you diminished, you got mad, I got snarky, and now your not talking to me except to tell me how confused this game has made you.In post 4359, Titan wrote:Spoiler: mastin's alignment
I'm so glad in my awful iso, you've noticed everything I've said about mastin. I'm so glad you're about to pull up everything I've said about mastin and be snarky and high and mighty about it. I'm going to be so glad to ignore it.
I wouldn't dare ISO your everchanging Mastin opinion or methods of sumhunting Mastin. That would be meta from 2 weeks ago, and totally not how you are now.
So, in my game notes, I'll put down "Tammy has Mastin as null for reasons not yet researched."
Would that be accurate?
Nope!
In order to be accurate you have to every five minutes change my opinion of mastin's alignment. So, you could write null, but in five minutes you should write town, five minutes after that write scum, rinse, lather repeat. That'd be time consuming though.Half troll/Half wall.
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Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and try this once:
Responses to AP:
I am notIn post 4350, AngryPidgeon wrote:And why are you so certain that RBD janitored by town?
If mastin is scum with RBD, surely her team would have mountains of motivation to Janitor RBD if possible.certainthat RBD was janitored by the town. I said that it was likely town because I was scumreading RBD. It is possible they were a scum self-janitor. I didn't specifically mention it before because I probably didn't think of it at that point.
I am considering different possibilities.In post 4348, AngryPidgeon wrote:
Im not buying this sentiment.In post 3813, CarbonFiber wrote:Also, if a vig killed Rancid and know their affiliation, it might not be a bad idea to speak up. Just remembered I played a game offsite where there was a janitor vig and only the vig was informed of the target's affiliation.
If anyone does know Rancid's affiliation right now, it would be helpful to reveal.
ESPECIALLY because you believe yourself to have hard CC'd RBD at multiple points both Yesterday and Today:
In post 2867, CarbonFiber wrote:Also, I obviously was personally involved with the whole cc'ing miller thing so was more certain than someone watching from the outside. I don't know how it looks like from your viewpoint so I want to see where you are coming from.In post 4320, CarbonFiber wrote:I got irritated when she defended Rancid even after he was cc'd
I am not scumreading you and Mastin just based on connections. I thought your initial interactions with me was scummy. For instance, you start out with a buddying accusation on me and later try to find other reasons for scumreading me. It feels like you are trying to come up with reasons to justify a read rather than organically developing them. It is possible that you are conf-biased town seeing more and more new reasons to confbias your original read but I don't think that that is the case. For one, I can tell you are a sharp player in general, possibly objective, and able to see through the surface level to find deeper motivations. That's what I gathered from the way you play. You insistence on calling me scummy with new reasons each time feel like opportunism.In post 4344, AngryPidgeon wrote:Oh also you are scumreading me and mastin and RBD on a connection case that is just bad. And I tried to talk to you about that and that got blown off as well. There is LITERALLY no way mastin or I would be doing this as scum buddies. Literally. And from someone who has apparently been wellread in mastin meta, you should know this.
Your holding back and waiting for something to happen makes no sense given that you are also expressing paranoia that not acting will result in another lurker lynch. That is scummy cogmnitive dissonance.
Your ignoring my questions because "Im scum and you dont care" is scummy and Im over it.
I dont care that literally everyone is misreading you in this game. I dont think Ive accused a single damn person of misrepping anything in this game, so your little tidbit of what an argument with me is like is just a deflection. The only person Ive been having crap arguments with this game is mastin, through no fault of my own. But Ive pretty much given up caring about her for that reason.
P-edit: no, Im not.
I think you and Mastin are quite capable of coming up with new interactions each time you are scum together. Do you feel that your interactions are so set in stone that you won't try a distancing tactic for once?In post 4286, AngryPidgeon wrote:
Yes and if you read Anytihng Goes, or any mastin game, you'd know that the odds of mastin bussing me to hell and back with us being scum/scum are reallllly low, bordering on not happening ever.In post 3964, CarbonFiber wrote:But the other problem I have is that you created an imaginary dialogue with you and AP saying that you and Rancid buddying hard as scum while bussing Hawk is unlikely for you to do as scum as well as the you-AP back and forth but is it really? When Rancid was being wagoned, you, Rancid, and AP all worked really well in tandem to put in your best effort to derail the lynch. That fits in quite well with what you would do as scum. A pseudo-townbloc consisting of scum.
The Fox and The Hound, Nacho, RedGyarados, Clyton.In post 4283, AngryPidgeon wrote:Is there anyone in particular you think needs time to read and/or generate content?
I think you are simplifying. At some level you can argue that nearly everything is non-alignment indicative (if you are Thor). My point is that the way BRO reacted to Rancid and went after them felt genuine and I don't believe his reactions were faked.In post 4272, AngryPidgeon wrote:Tl;DR: Rancid was baiting BRO with trash talk. Tensions were high especially as a result. Is it REALLY alignment indicative to want to lynch someone a lot and be invested mroe because they are talking shit? Fuck no and F16 is sort of implying it is without saying it which is also crap.
Titan thought he could be scum because of the differing reactions. I explained why the circumstances were different enough that I am not chalking up the differences due to BRO being scum this time.In post 4272, AngryPidgeon wrote:Tl;DR: BRO didn't act like he did in wicked when getting lynched, but its justifiable. Ok, so? The point? That doesnt mean BRO is town at all.
He really wanted to lynch RBD in a genuine way and the manner in which he went about it felt real. It is not just that he did it. It is possible that scum can get invested in the lynch of a townie. I am not saying it is impossible. I am saying I looked at the way BRO in particular invested himself and thought that it looked much, much more likely town than scum.In post 4272, AngryPidgeon wrote:Tl;DR: BRO REALLY wanted to lynch RBD. Once again, not a fucking tell? Not by its own at least. This is more IIoA and while I tend to agree with his conclusion, his way of reaching it feels excessively drawn out because it looks better than simply stating that BRO's zeal felt town.
The incredulity that he was wagoned came from a justified feeling that he was right. He felt that the "right" thing to happen was for RBD to get lynched and all of a sudden, him getting lynched was startling. Scum do get frustrated at being caught for the wrong reasons. That's not what BRO's frustration looked like. He was frustrated at theIn post 4272, AngryPidgeon wrote:Tl;DR: This is not BRO from wicked, but his meltdown made sense because he was getting wagoned for no reason. Once again, this has no actual opinion in it. Just an enormous waffle stating that BRO being upset at being wagoned makes sense. Guess what? Scum get upset at being wagoned for shit reasons too! I know I have in pretty much all my scum games ever.ideathat someone could think that he was scum more than any particular argument.-
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In post 4365, Titan wrote:In post 4362, PeregrineV wrote:
Last time I checked your ISO to fact check something you claimed, and then posted it, you got snarky, my townread on you diminished, you got mad, I got snarky, and now your not talking to me except to tell me how confused this game has made you.In post 4359, Titan wrote:Spoiler: mastin's alignment
I'm so glad in my awful iso, you've noticed everything I've said about mastin. I'm so glad you're about to pull up everything I've said about mastin and be snarky and high and mighty about it. I'm going to be so glad to ignore it.
I wouldn't dare ISO your everchanging Mastin opinion or methods of sumhunting Mastin. That would be meta from 2 weeks ago, and totally not how you are now.
So, in my game notes, I'll put down "Tammy has Mastin as null for reasons not yet researched."
Would that be accurate?
Nope!
In order to be accurate you have to every five minutes change my opinion of mastin's alignment. So, you could write null, but in five minutes you should write town, five minutes after that write scum, rinse, lather repeat. That'd be time consuming though.
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Bleh, I sort of touched on this in my last list. Basically, I agree. Emotionally, BRO's focus has looked town and the breakdown has felt town. Their read on me and general lack of progression (cause lol neighborhood?, except not really cause they haven't updated their reads either way) looks sketchy. And I still really don't like BRO hinting that him townreading me should make me trust his reads and him this game...constantly.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:And when AP did show up, Bro comes up with some half-assed reason to townread AP. I still don't like it but you guys say he's been town as shit in his neighborhood.
He also tried to wagon me and I claimed before it got a huge amount of traction. But I think hes scum on that or someone who sheeped it fast was. Would have to look.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:I just think Nacho is more likely to deflect onto easy mislynches when he's scum. The timing of the Orci wagon was terrible and something I don't think would have benefited town at all.
I think the mastin trajectory looks legit from him.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:Notty doesn't like Orci's lack of trajectories or some other stuff that I haven't read through yet. I don't think his cagefight choices are particularly damning because:
Is it just us in the hypothetical neighborhood? I'd still like that regardless.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:I actually completely missed you claiming yesterday for some reason (I may have been selectively ignoring you, I don't know). I also share the same game flavor as you and would now be interested in a neighborhood if you're town (apparently the game Notty chose isn't as obscure as I thought?).
I also find all the votes on you pretty hilarious when the things you've said regarding your claim checks out from Day 1.
Im having motivation issues? You cant be serious. I was on V/LA last week in all my games due to being out of town and having a bomb blow up on me at work. I've put in a fuckton of effor on D1 and I lagged a bit on D2 but am back in force now.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:Also, I find it strange for people to roll a 'cop' role and still have trouble keeping up or being motivated to play a game (with regards to the hydra that actually rolled 'modified cop'). It's just w/e though and I'm not holding any weight in it.
Not that Im aware of. Bork did not seem to know that I had (although can easily be scum faking) and indicated that he had reason to -know- that I was roleblocked. Actually I still want to clarify that with Nacho cause he sort of dodged me bringing that topic up.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:Your target is notified of your investigation?
Because Bork explicitly said something about me not receiving a result was consistent with his knowledge of the game state. I.e. I think they could be a Mafia Ascetic or something and I was allowed to target them BECAUSE it would cause my role to fail and potentially make them look town in the process.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:How does roleblocking you make any of your investigation targets likely to be town? If you're not going to get your result, they can just choose one of their own and not give any fucks about it.
Ya, also possible. This is another avenue that Im thinking along that could explain why Nacho knows I was blocked (self-voyeur or something?)In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:Hmm? Maybe. Wondering if Mac was deadset on targeting Kagura and AP wasn't just roleblocked.
Heh. There might be some truth to that. I recall calling 99% sure in that first mini normal with mastin that the team was her and 2 other people and all 3 were tonIn post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:Not really of relevance, but did you know that people who claim they are 99% sure of something actually tend to be wrong more often than not?
. Also mastin quoted me saying that and said "Whats the 1% for, backpedaling after you ML us??". Good times.-
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Brian - it doesn't matter if scum know what or where I am right now. Claiming had a potential upside and very little downside if he was scum as well.
Also - I'm not town reading desp ro or ap, but I wouldn't really lynch either today, I guess anyway. I don't even remember making that post but the karate kid quote suggests wine was involved :pHalf troll/Half wall.
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It means messy notes!In post 4367, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4365, Titan wrote:In post 4362, PeregrineV wrote:
Last time I checked your ISO to fact check something you claimed, and then posted it, you got snarky, my townread on you diminished, you got mad, I got snarky, and now your not talking to me except to tell me how confused this game has made you.In post 4359, Titan wrote:Spoiler: mastin's alignment
I'm so glad in my awful iso, you've noticed everything I've said about mastin. I'm so glad you're about to pull up everything I've said about mastin and be snarky and high and mighty about it. I'm going to be so glad to ignore it.
I wouldn't dare ISO your everchanging Mastin opinion or methods of sumhunting Mastin. That would be meta from 2 weeks ago, and totally not how you are now.
So, in my game notes, I'll put down "Tammy has Mastin as null for reasons not yet researched."
Would that be accurate?
Nope!
In order to be accurate you have to every five minutes change my opinion of mastin's alignment. So, you could write null, but in five minutes you should write town, five minutes after that write scum, rinse, lather repeat. That'd be time consuming though.Half troll/Half wall.
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You know I love you.In post 4363, MastinSSK wrote:Like hell it won't. 'Specially if I ticked you off. (Well, I'm not going to do so intentionally, but I'm not going to go out of my way to not tick you off, sooooooooooooooo...)
Bullshit. There was large amounts of drama cause Muffin was trying to get them to explain any of their scumreads yesterday and they refused for pages and pages. I have yet to see anything today that explains it at all.In post 4363, MastinSSK wrote:Well, yeah, he was, but now, he's looking at other factors, other things about us.
I havent really seen any indication of this either. At all. What.In post 4363, MastinSSK wrote:F-16 is reconsidering his stances on the matter. Like, thinking we're both scum but knowing only one of us would be, for instance.
Eh, I guess. It occurs to me that I've never actually seen you as scum before. It kind of felt that way this game though with your towntowntown reads on Bork/Titan/?Mac? and then just sort of coasting from there. But thats mostly irrelevant. I guess I am somewhat expecting Ffery from Xenosaga who actually scumread Flandre D1 and rolled with that pretty hard and Im not seeing it here. But thats just a niggle on my end that is irrelevant. I still think you are probstown. Can you explain your current read on Nacho?In post 4364, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:As scum, I'd want to take a fucking stance or two and let the attention drift elsewhere.
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I thought I did answer it sometime on day 1 but maybe not.In post 4361, Red Gyarados wrote:PoE, sheep town reads.
You coughed my direction a couple times in that wall. Did I miss other questions?Hydra of fferylt and Belisarius; clever signature line to be decided laterUser formerly known as Sc*mf*ck.-
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What exactly are you considering? If RBD were town, would it notably affect your reads / where would you go? It just seems so odd to me to fish for that information. That is partly because it never occurred to me anyone would know (except scum obv). I strongly doubt Mac could have been killed from anything other than scum, so I suppose I agree that they make sense as a town kill. My kneejerk reaction to that was to wonder why you didn't ask inside your neighborhood since the highest concentration of people scumreading RBD seem to be in there (Yggdra, JSU iirc). Instead you ask everyone which I dont quite get the motivation for to assume you have been wrong about your reads all this time despite having a very large conviction to the contrary.In post 4366, CarbonFiber wrote:I am considering different possibilities.
I mean, opportunism? I think Im actually literally the only person in the thread with a scumread on you and have been since RBD fell off a cliff last night. Opportunism suggests that I am getting some sort of easy scum advantage for hedging an opinion on you, which Id love to hear what that could be cause I've mostly gotten flak from the entire player base (Mastin, JSU, you, others?) for my read on you that I ultimately just sort of stopped caring at the start of D2.In post 4366, CarbonFiber wrote:It is possible that you are conf-biased town seeing more and more new reasons to confbias your original read but I don't think that that is the case. For one, I can tell you are a sharp player in general, possibly objective, and able to see through the surface level to find deeper motivations. That's what I gathered from the way you play. You insistence on calling me scummy with new reasons each time feel like opportunism.
Ok, I'll admit its not "impossible" for us to do this as scum/scum, but why do you think its likely the case? You spent all D1 talking about how mastin and I were just creating noise and saying we were both scum with RBD. Im most certainly biased on the issue given that Im town and townreading both of those players, but I just have an extremely hard time seeing why someone would find this -likely-. Mastin has a fairly extensive history of not bussing and is proud of it. Im more sporadic, but I would never bus a buddy so hard when they are actually salvageable and when me bussing them could be the tipping point in a lynch.In post 4366, CarbonFiber wrote:I think you and Mastin are quite capable of coming up with new interactions each time you are scum together. Do you feel that your interactions are so set in stone that you won't try a distancing tactic for once?
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Re Town case on BRO. I think my main beef when I read that was the extensive references to Wicked. It felt like you were trying to overjustify the read. You kept acknowledging that BRO wasnt playing like Wicked as if you -should- have a good reasson to think hes scum but were somehow determined to townread him and wanted to be explicit that about ...Im at a lack for a word right now, gah. Covering your bases? It felt a little guilty in nature I guess and weird to presuppose that BRO wasnt playing to town meta and then conclude the opposite. I didnt see Tammy had explicitly referenced Wicked as a meta point on BRO until after I responded. So I recant a bit of my feelings there.
Hm. This is goingto just have to be an agree to disagree point I guess. I just know that as scum Im totally capable of freaking out and convincing myself that I am right and town.In post 4366, CarbonFiber wrote:The incredulity that he was wagoned came from a justified feeling that he was right. He felt that the "right" thing to happen was for RBD to get lynched and all of a sudden, him getting lynched was startling. Scum do get frustrated at being caught for the wrong reasons. That's not what BRO's frustration looked like. He was frustrated at the idea that someone could think that he was scum more than any particular argument.
Actually, that reminds me of something I wanted to talk about re Mastin. Because I know in Game of Champions mafia (I was scum) I tried SO HARD. I busted my ass that game and ended up winning. At some point, mastin commented on the game and mentioned that I had an unhealthy obsession with winning as scum. And I think she said something here that felt like she was actively ignoring that side of me that she is fully aware of and called me scummy for something else.....But ya ignore this bit until I actually find what I was looking for.
Fake edit: Ugh. I dunno anymore. I think its just Yggdra. I cant remember a single good reason for anyone finding them to be town. Im quickly entering Lord Patator realms of waffling here and I dont wanna. I dont have that much snaity left : [-
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I had a town read on bork and I kept it all of day 1. The deadline danse macabre made me worry about nacho, but it's really hard to see him calling attention to himself so blatantly, like in that string of posts where every post was a back and forth vote between two players. He could have redirected the lynch without making nearly such a spectacle.In post 4371, AngryPidgeon wrote:Eh, I guess. It occurs to me that I've never actually seen you as scum before. It kind of felt that way this game though with your towntowntown reads on Bork/Titan/?Mac? and then just sort of coasting from there. But thats mostly irrelevant. I guess I am somewhat expecting Ffery from Xenosaga who actually scumread Flandre D1 and rolled with that pretty hard and Im not seeing it here. But thats just a niggle on my end that is irrelevant. I still think you are probstown. Can you explain your current read on Nacho?
Would he make the spectacle as scum anyway? possibly. So back to the borkread.
Which started to go a little stale over the weekend.
And then nacho wk's me a little in the process of scumreading Mastin.
And his catch up posts are what I like to see from him when he's town. Exactly what I like to see from him. Exactly the tone and the types of posts to respond to that I like to see from him. Exactly what he's been able to do as scum lately in a few games we've played together.
He and I both know I can't read him that way anymore.
And the borkread. Some of the stuff I look for was there in spades. Some of the stuff I kept waiting to see, and only got occasional flashes. And I can see two really compelling reasons why town-bork might not hit all those notes as often as I expect in the game thread this time. There's an active neighborhood. And there's real life.
He's not a strong town read, but he's above the line where I'd contemplate lynching him.Hydra of fferylt and Belisarius; clever signature line to be decided laterUser formerly known as Sc*mf*ck.
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