Newbie 1488: Igloo-Town Tragedy (Game Over)

[Billi bilaði]

Billi, I'll be honest, I really don't know what you're saying. How is jklash implying that he can't night kill any different from any of his other posts where he claims to be town and that me or Jake must be scum because of that and how is it any different from Jake or I saying we're town which we've both done several times and thus implying that we can't make the night kill? Because I'll be honest, I don't see a difference.

Bb: I'll have to live with that, that you don't understand me. It happens.

And again your post isn't super clear but I think everything later in your post rests upon that first assumption which I just explained is a bad assumption. But let's take apart the next part, how is my reluctance to vote a scum thing? If I was scum why wouldn't I take the opportunity that was already presented and hammer Jake? At that point I had both you and DTD on my side and would've gotten my preferred lynch; surely it would've been better for hypothetical scum-me to just hammer instead of letting the day extend for no good reason where those things could fall apart, yeah?

Bb: Yes, you could have hammered, but if you are a mafioso, you would not have wanted to hammer too quickly. That has the danger of luring too many votes the day after.

So if the final line is a threat towards me then I've already explained why the assumptions that lead you there are wrong but also you already read and agreed with the reasons I presented why I was town and furthermore, I'm the one who has presented the most compelling reasons why Jake is scum and even reasons why jk might be scum. I'll agree that there's probably not much to be gained at this point, I've poked and prodded where I've wanted to and if you want to set DTD up for intent to hammer I'll set you up.

VOTE: Jake

Of course it is a threat. But maybe not such a strong one, because I just could have hammered without a comment and let the rest of the game play out.

Nice voting :
VOTE: Jake from State Farm

[Jake from State Farm]

Was that the hammer ? If so good luck, I am not the scum you are looking for.

[Billi bilaði]

Nope. You were down to zero votes after I retracted mine earlier.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh ok. That vote just threw me

[Billi bilaði]

So. It's L-1, I believe.

But I would ask for a warning before a hammer.
I still want to find time to read back on jklash12 at least. I hope I get time for that this weekend.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote Count 4.05

• Jake from State Farm (2) -
  Billi bilaði, Debonair Danny DiPietro
  [L-1]
  
  
• Debonair Danny DiPietro (2) -
  Jake from State Farm, jklash12
  [L-1]
  
  
• jklash12 (0) -
  
  
• Billi bilaði (0) -
  
  
• dawn_to_dusk (0) -
  
  
  
  
• Not Voting (1) – dawn_to_dusk

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline is 12AM EST May 21
Countdown: (expired on 2014-05-21 00:00:00)

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[Billi bilaði]

jklash12: From post 100 in game 1474 (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5664883):

"I make sure my vote is on a scum read at the end of a day. I like to switch it around to other people because like you said up in that quote, your vote is your most powerful scumhunting tool. If you don't switch it around to other players you are not utilizing this tool. sometimes you even have to vote players you don't find incredibly scummy just so that you can better understand them. I don't think you can find scum if your vote stays on the first person you find scummy because opinions are bound to change."

What has changed for you?
You have:
2 votes on day 1.
2 votes on day 2.
1 vote on day 3.

Although, you certainly made sure your vote was on a mafioso at the end of days 1 and 2.

And your first 2 games, you give tells on everybody. You have not done so this game.

Is this your first game as a mafioso on this site?

[jklash12]

jklash12: From post 100 in game 1474 (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5664883):

"I make sure my vote is on a scum read at the end of a day. I like to switch it around to other people because like you said up in that quote, your vote is your most powerful scumhunting tool. If you don't switch it around to other players you are not utilizing this tool. sometimes you even have to vote players you don't find incredibly scummy just so that you can better understand them. I don't think you can find scum if your vote stays on the first person you find scummy because opinions are bound to change."

What has changed for you?
You have:
2 votes on day 1.
2 votes on day 2.
1 vote on day 3.

Although, you certainly made sure your vote was on a mafioso at the end of days 1 and 2.

And your first 2 games, you give tells on everybody. You have not done so this game.

Is this your first game as a mafioso on this site?

I have changed my mind on that. Although voting is powerful, one vote isn't going to scare someone who is scum. My past couple games I tend to park my vote and just watch out for scum.

As for not giving reads on everybody, I am not sure why I haven't this game because I usually do that. Which 2 games are you referring to because I have played more than 2 games on this site. I think I have completed 5 or 6 games.

And no, this is not my first game as scum on this site.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

And no, this is not my first game as scum on this site.

Link to prior completed game as scum please.

[jklash12]

I have not been scum on this site yet.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have not been scum on this site yet.

Was worth a shot.

[jklash12]

I have not been scum on this site yet.

Was worth a shot.

Are you town?

[Billi bilaði]

Why are you still alive, DDD?
Jake as a mafioso would surely have nightkilled you, if I'm reading his and yours history correctly.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have not been scum on this site yet.

Was worth a shot.

Are you town?

Yes.

Why are you still alive, DDD?
Jake as a mafioso would surely have nightkilled you, if I'm reading his and yours history correctly.

Our history together is what, one game? That's not much of a history to go on or for him to want me dead no matter what. As for the specifics of this game... N1 they likely tried to kill you because you looked more town than me, N2 Zeph was killed and I've already explained why it didn't make sense for me to kill him and N3 they had to kill one of the confirmed town players or lose. The only kill where you can remotely go, "Why would they have killed X instead of DDD" is night two and that's been explained as best I can already.

[Billi bilaði]

I didn't say "history together". Jake has super experience on this site as Jake, and more if you take into account that he is an alt.
You both have wiki pages, and I don't believe he hasn't studied yours.
That would tell him "DDD must not live to endgame" if he is the mafioso.
Zeph is not a wise kill for him, and I found a game where you do such a kill (albeit for a different reason from what I was thinking).
If you are townie, them, I would believe that jklash12 would be more likely to let you live, as he has a shorter history here.

You are playing a much stronger game than Jake imo, and I've skimmed a game where Jake plays just like he does here as a mafioso just about to be hanged. But I have myself played just as strongly as you have in games where I know the players as well as you might know Jake and jklash12, and talked myself to victory. Hence my super suspicion of you.

[Billi bilaði]

PS: I look forward (not) to see if I get a "stupid player" stamp in your wiki. I might be heading for that with my "flaky voting". (No matter that my jump off of dawn yesterday was spot on right, which gave us one extra day to pick 1 out of 3. You sounded a bit desperate when I jumped off of that wagon.)

[Billi bilaði]

...
Zeph is not a wise kill for him,

and I found a game where you do such a kill

(albeit for a different reason from what I was thinking)...

Now that I'm on my computer, and not on my phone, I can post my notes on this:
Newbie 1094: DDD NKs out of lynch pool, leaving only 1 player alive that didn't participate in the lynching. Page 27.

[Jake from State Farm]

Was that a scum lynch or town lynch?

[Billi bilaði]

Was that a scum lynch or town lynch?

I was specially looking for a game where you were mafia and lynched.
Found this one:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23424

PS: See especially the last line of post 350: "I can't even defend myself cause there is nothing to defend myself from."

PPS: Did you ever get an answer to this question in post 5: "Side note, how do you change the words under your avatar?"

[Billi bilaði]

PPPS: Name of the game is "Micro 33: City of Death - Game Over".

[Billi bilaði]

Was that a scum lynch or town lynch?

Or are you meaning if the DDD game was a scum lynch or town lynch?
Then it was DDD and his mafia partner were both on the lynching wagon of a townie, and NK'd out of that pool.

So, Jake: Had you studied DDD's wiki before night 1?

[Billi bilaði]

Postst 769 & 770 in game Mini 1434shows me you know a little bit about NK'ing out of the lynch pool, Jake

[Billi bilaði]

Micro 151 is also interesting for me, to see how you, Jake, stay out of lynches (as I've noted in the other games also), and then NK's out of the lynch-pools also.

[Jake from State Farm]

Was that a scum lynch or town lynch?

I was specially looking for a game where you were mafia and lynched.
Found this one:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23424

PS: See especially the last line of post 350: "I can't even defend myself cause there is nothing to defend myself from."

PPS: Did you ever get an answer to this question in post 5: "Side note, how do you change the words under your avatar?"

I'm sure I've used that line or similar in other games. Though I don't get lynched often

Yes I got the answer. You have to be nominated for a title.

[Jake from State Farm]

Postst 769 & 770 in game Mini 1434shows me you know a little bit about NK'ing out of the lynch pool, Jake

you should look at the scum QT, the kill off the wagon wasn't even my choice I just went along with the suggestion. Same for the earlier kill on Majiffy.