1) I agree with the alarm at the speed at which this undo wagon arose. I agree with Yos's diagnosis that this is representative of some latent undo-scum-feelings that have surfaced because of the opportunity, but it is precisely this potential opportunism that gives me pause. I myself don't find the arguments against undo particularly compelling -- in my mind, these consist of (1) suspicion of his data dump, which I find to be not-unhelpful (and not a claimed substitute for actual scum hinting), and (2) his absence of significant comment on the LML-wagon. The latter has some merit, but not enough to switch my vote.
I feel like many of the same people would have voted for Sotty had the opportunity arose...just general suspicion of people they don't feel like they have a great read on. While I can somewhat sympathize with this behavior, I think it only has merit when there aren't genuinely suspicious players around (which I feel we have).
2)
inhim wrote:Nothing in this post definitively implies you think she (DGB) might be scum. Do you think that's a possibility?
Absolutely. I'm the first admit that I find her play style essentially unreadable, but I think she has done so many anti-town things recently (stance on LML, outing her perceived cop, the debate with ABR) to make her lynchworthy completely independent of any reads.
3) I think GC comes out a little ahead in the GC vs. glork debate, but this seems so far from relevant at the moment that it's not worth digging to deeply into. We can revisit later if need be.
4) Found an interesting quote:
GC, in post 1156 wrote:
Bookitty isn't scum.
A little suspicious -- uncharacteristically declarative for GC, I think. How do you know? (I realize that there was a lot of context in that post before that quote, but I'll let you make that case instead of me).
But most importantly:
5) I still think ABR is the best candidate. I think he was bussing LML, and got off the wagon any time he thought there was an opportunity to put focus elsewhere. (Note: I'm not attaching this to the argument that LML slipped when he said bussing -- that's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned). I think ABR's slip in 1144 was a genuine scum slip, since as PJ eloquently points out in 1166, the sentence doesn't even make sense if we switch the name out for the correct one (KK -- I don't understand why you don't find that argument convincing). Finally, I think his interactions with DGB today are absurdly anti-town. For example he did seem genuinely convinced I was scum, but then chose to vote DGB out of claimed spite? I find it much more likely he was taking advantage of the "easy target".
