I'm going to preface this with:
1) I remain unconvinced that the actions performed by DGB were town. As far as I'm concerned, the case has already been made, rebutted, and the verdict is in. I understand that this wagon is losing steam though so I'll be reassessing and seeing if there's anyone else I feel strongly about.
2) 7 votes in 21 hours is very fast for this town. I think Yos may be right, that this nagging suspicion on undo lay in the minds of several people, and thus the wagon occured, but why wait until MBL posted to vote? Anyone else could have made undo a viable option.
Also, let me know if I got it wrong, but here's who they were voting before they switched to undo.
MBL-voting no one.
Glork-voting ABR.
chamber-voting mathcam.
CES-voting mathcam.
Yos-voting CES.
Porochaz-voting DGB.
UT-voting DGB.
3) I'm starting to have doubts that MBL is town. I felt like his attack against me was driven with a lot of information taken out of context, but since I'm caught in the crossfire I'm more interested if other people see it the same way or if I'm just jumpy. I am mistrustful of his "hovering" around. Of the KK voters, I do think DGB is probably more likely to be scum, though, so I don't really have anything concrete.
I mention those three things because my look at undo is a bit affected by those pieces. Looking at undo's post has lead me to a conclusion that I think he's town, but those three things helped.
Anyway,
undo seems to be choosing "distanced" players as defined by players who had as little interaction with LML as possible. I don't know if I love this approach; in a game with 22 people, it's inevitable that people aren't going to form connections with everyone. However, I don't fault him for selecting a subset of players and trying to determine if any of them are scummy, since a few players began day 2 that way.
I would be suspicious if his argument was "this LML distanced ness is the only reason I find XXXXXX to be scummy." Looking at the names provided, however, he says the following in his post (my commentary in paranthesis):
chamber and CES buddy.
In post 1245, undo wrote:
From the last days of D1 and on to D2, [CES] has been more consistent and helpful, though.
(btw, I'd love to see an example selected by undo of this.)
Inhim/zorblag slot is suspicious because of zorblag voting for porochaz to be the 2nd on a wagon instead of voting for GC. (I'm not sure how I feel about zorblag)
Inhim didn't do much at all and hasn't really been active. (fair enough, but inhim did finally give a reason for his action. still, i'd love to see someone like zorblag back in that spot).
He points out that Glork does seem to quickly change his mind about Bookitty (looking back, there's no post from PJ or Bookity between glork's statement that he's willing to vote either and then deciding to vote PJ, he was not voting for Bookitty at this time, his vote was on Yosarian.)
His first paragraph on DGB states that he finds a scumpairing unlikely.
His second says that she almost always writes "____ is town." (I disagree with his use of the words 'almost always,' but everything else he says about DGB I agree with. I find it hard to fault him for landing on that wagon for that reason, and thus from my point of view I don't think undo's landing on the biggest wagon was disingenuine. But I can't really fault Glork for that opinion, I don't think he's wrong to have it).
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As for the rest of undo's play, at the begining I was a little surprised he was more interested in trying to get ABR to talk then to make any form of opinion on any wagon going on. It's the same thing that gave me pause when I saw his
1165, posting just to post but not presenting information.
One thing that struck me D1 was his dealings with Yos. I didn't like Yos's attack, how it started with mentioning something about voting DGB by way of homage meant something. I thought his responses were solid.
I liked his point about the consistent appeal to emotion from bookitty's posts.
I like his responses to glork, kind of the same thing with Yos's attack. I'm not sold on the attack so I think the response is fine.
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I think undo's town. I feel confident that DGB is scum.
"; "I feel really stupid now"; to cite some Day 2 examples). I actually think that tendency is harmful both to town and herself; if she is town, she should really make an effort to cut down on it IMO.
