Mini 1579: The Great Flavor Caper (Game Over)

[phokdapolees]

Vote Count 1.40

Elyse (5): Titus, Mirhawk, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Josh_B, reinoe
Titus (3): Slandaar, Wake88, evilpacman18
Mirhawk (1): Elyse
Wake88 (1): chaoslord54
Slandaar (1): TheYankeeReaper
TheYankeeReaper (1): T S O

Not Voting: Bacde

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2014-06-25 16:00:00)

[phokdapolees]

Sharpest-knife-on-tree has been prodded.

[Slandaar]

There's a lot of hemming and hawing going on here when it should be fairly apparent whats actually going to happen.

Titus is going to be lynched.

There's not enough support to run Titus up today, so that's not happening.

There is.

So unless we want to lynch a lurker, (which by the way will have to be yankee, which will give us no information) we more or less have to go for Elyse. Unless of course anyone thinks we should go for a claimed PR instead, which also isn't happening because of a lack of agreement on not only which of them is the scummiest, but whether or not it would better to wait to see if the PR situation resolves itself overnight anyways.

Uh, we can lynch TSO or Reinoe they would be good lynches...

There is plenty of time.

Also, I find TSO's continued insistence that we should pick someone else because we have "lots" of time scummy seeing as how he doesn't seem inclined to say why Elyse is a bad lynch or who we should lynch instead (aside from suggesting a lurker which is a frankly unhelpful statement).

Yeah so TSO lynch is on the cards. Good.

[Slandaar]

Mirhawk, that is generally what I have been seeing as well. We're getting a lot of lynch anyone but Elyse but no solid reasons why she's town.

She is town because she has a town PM.

What are you expecting people to say?

[Slandaar]

It's just as real of a possibility that a doctor healed fake vig with cc.

I would claim vig as mafia because a doctor may protect me from a real vig so the risk is fine? this is all very convoluted. I would think the risk of just being shot dead n1 from a vig who doesn't cc is worth it because? when I go into D2 without a kill to point at I would be lynched so this is THE WORST CLAIM FOR MAFIA TO MAKE. Why would I claim vig when I still get lynched from the cc? Why would I not claim cop if I were claiming for cc's? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF VIG CLAIM OVER ANY OTHER CLAIM???

Lynch Titus...

We aren't lynching me. We are lynching scum. You'll have to shoot me and get lynched if you want me dead tonight.

You say this like you know I have a shot but I wouldn't as mafia thus you know the above argument is wrong. Amusing.

[Slandaar]

Hrm.

^ Good Posting.

[Elyse]

Mirhawk, that is generally what I have been seeing as well. We're getting a lot of lynch anyone but Elyse but no solid reasons why she's town.

This is FUCKING BULLSHIT. When has that EVER been a reason to lynch someone? Can you just not accept that people have a townread on me? That you might be wrong? You keep looking for reasons as to why I'm town when you SHOULD be looking for ones as to why I'm scum since, you know, I'M BEING LYNCHED FOR NO REASON.

A quick recap of the game:
Beginning: A Lot of lurkers, and town bickering with one another.
Middle: Town agrees to lynch Elyse. Lurkers suddenly become active, and start tunneling on Titus.
Now: Tunneling on Titus continues.

Results: Elyse Lynch becomes a high information D1 lynch. Unfortunately, bickering continues. If you are town, get on this wagon and stop BSing.

What is this?

Your recap is wrong but it would point to a TITUS lynch being most informative. Why are you so set on lynching me? You don't have a case on me or anything. Your insistence on my lynch is off-putting.

There's a lot of hemming and hawing going on here when it should be fairly apparent whats actually going to happen.

There's not enough support to run Titus up today, so that's not happening. So unless we want to lynch a lurker, (which by the way will have to be yankee, which will give us no information) we more or less have to go for Elyse. Unless of course anyone thinks we should go for a claimed PR instead, which also isn't happening because of a lack of agreement on not only which of them is the scummiest, but whether or not it would better to wait to see if the PR situation resolves itself overnight anyways.

Also, I find TSO's continued insistence that we should pick someone else because we have "lots" of time scummy seeing as how he doesn't seem inclined to say why Elyse is a bad lynch or who we should lynch instead (aside from suggesting a lurker which is a frankly unhelpful statement).

This is once again bullshit. There is enough support to run up Titus. I don't know if you've realized this, but MOST PEOPLE don't think I'm scum. It's not a forgone conclusion that I'll be lynched today, so stop trying to make it that way.

Since a Mirhawk lynch isn't happening,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Her insistence that Slandaar could be scum while simultaneously screaming for my lynch just reeks of chaining lynches, especially because Slandaar is right in that it would be dumb to claim vig as scum.

Josh and SKOT, I hope you can see that Titus is the better lynch. Mirhawk, there is enough support for a Titus lynch so hop on if you want.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

there was no need for a prod. I have seen no reason to change and been active in thread. Guess I hadn't posted anything specific.

[Elyse]

Are you giving any thought to voting for Titus?

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

A quick recap of the game:
Beginning: A Lot of lurkers, and town bickering with one another.
Middle: Town agrees to lynch Elyse. Lurkers suddenly become active, and start tunneling on Titus.
Now: Tunneling on Titus continues.

Results: Elyse Lynch becomes a high information D1 lynch. Unfortunately, bickering continues. If you are town, get on this wagon and stop BSing.

I agree with this

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

Are you giving any thought to voting for Titus?

no, I am not

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

evrything since my lost post has been blah blah blah.
I will not support mass claim
I will not support lynch of a current claimed PR
I will not support a Titus runup or lynch
Right now the only other direction I might consider would be TSO or any of the ones who put out a "VT" claim in a game with "Lots of PR and is swingy"
those not recognizing that fact, including you Elyse concern me.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

a run up of titus may or may not bring another PR claim. I see no need to go that direction at this point.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

the best way to get through this day is to lynch Elyse or EPM. They have both claimed VT and see no reason for further runups.

[Elyse]

Please stop focusing on the claiming aspect and start focusing on who is scum and who is town.

Why is Titus town/why am I scum?

[Elyse]

Or should I say, why don't you want to lynch Titus?

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

Please stop focusing on the claiming aspect and start focusing on who is scum and who is town.

Why is Titus town/why am I scum?

I don't know if either of you are town or scum. I see no value in further run ups.
The +EV move at this point is to finish off a VT claim and let everything else work itself out. This is how I play. Period. We have suffient claims. No need for more. Get information and flip a VT claim and move ahead.

[Slandaar]

How is that +EV if all the VT claims are town?

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

How is that +EV if all the VT claims are town?

VT, town claims, claims without any verification are a risk. There has been nothing in her engagement that I take as town. Those claims need to be paired down, especially in a game with "lots of PR and swingy." Now some claims are believable and tighten things down on scum. How I play and where we come from is most such claims are not left to sit around. If they are left around then considred vig bait. And actually I am less hard core on that then others where I play. It would remain a liability without a flip.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

How is that +EV if all the VT claims are town?

how do you know any VT is town. You do not, you know they claim town. You can make a judgement about whether you believe they are what they claim.

[T S O]

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A TOWNCASE BECAUSE YOUR SCUMCASE IS SO FUCKING BAD, TITUS. I LIKE YOU, BUT YOU'RE JUST RUNNING PEOPLE UP TO CLAIM AND YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE FUCKING TOWNREAD GROUP WHO YOU ARE BEING EGGED ON BY.

[Elyse]

So if I didn't claim you would be open to voting for Titus?

And you don't have an opinion on my alignment but are voting me to prevent another run-up?

What kind of backwards logic is that?

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

So if I didn't claim you would be open to voting for Titus?

And you don't have an opinion on my alignment but are voting me to prevent another run-up?

What kind of backwards logic is that?

the style that comes from www.footballguys.com and www.packmentality.net...
and no I would not be open to titus, as I believe Titus is town at the moment. I do not like a titus runup. If no one had claimed VT then I would be looking at who I felt was most scummy.

[Elyse]

Oh my god

[reinoe]

Oh my god

Yet another example of Elyse refusing to accept there are playstyles than her own.