Newbie 1509: The Devil's Run (Game Over)

[Formerfish]

Pafience is key. I'm at page 8 and leaning huntress scum right now. Btw I've stopped reading hours ago.

@fish
whaaaaattt?

I understood you, yet I'm not sure what you want from me.

how does a townie normallly respond to being jailkept?

Or perhaps you're asking whether I can cc? In that case, no.

A townie would probably assume that they were the target of a nk if they had been outed as the target of a jk as well. That's what I would think anyways. And I sure as hell would come into the thread telling everyone that they are looking at the wrong person and should try to figure out who would want you dead. Townies fight tooth and nail to make sure they don't get mislynched. You are stalling and look scummy.

[Baezu]

Vote Count 2.06

shaddowez: (1) Alina
Andrewseagull: (2) Clusk92, HayatoBL
HayatoBL : (2) huntress , BabiSoup

Not Voting: Formerfish, shaddowez, Andrewseagull

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-06-30 18:30:00)

Mod Notes:
None

[shaddowez]

Babi

- I just reread again to be completely positive what I thought was there wasn't, and I must have dreamt it (or somehow keep missing it). That being said, I'll explain what I thought happened. While Alina's vote was still in, you were the vote that put Neil at L-1. During one of my interactions with blue, he had asked what I thought about you putting him at L-1:

Regarding your analysis, what do you think about babisoup putting Neil on L-1? I personally don't like it. Its like inducing a quick hammer, but not wanting to be the one doing it. What reasons do you think a scum or town would do that?

After

Alina

unvoted to help prevent a quickhammer, blueheaven was the next to vote and put Neil back at L-1. The post I must have imagined had you pointing out that he was the one to do so after making his spiel about not liking it. I hadn't put that connection together at first, and when I finally did (after reading the post that doesn't exist), it made more of blue's other posts look scummy in conjunction.

That being explained, I wanted to hear more from blue before voting for him. However,

hayato

has done that quite well for me.

• He states he needs two days to read the thread, then votes three hours later. While most of us agree that what
  Andrew
  did seems scummy, to me it makes more sense to catch up on the entire game before voting
  
• After
  Formerfish
  suggests he address being jailed, he asks for someone to link him the relevant post,

  But only if there is a need for me to address those quickly.

• Unless I'm missing something, this quote has no relevance, and is just more of him not responding to how him being jailkept affected him.

  By read, I meant continue reading from whatever page I'm currently at.

• Here he responds again, saying he's stopped reading, and still provides no insight into the jailkeeping, except for the one line:

  Btw I've stopped reading hours ago.

  how does a townie normallly respond to being jailkept?

I'm now comfortable with VOTE: hayataoBL

[shaddowez]

Meant to put this in my prior post but hit submit instead of preview - this puts

hayatao

at

L-2

[Alina]

I've been thinking, and I'm cool with lynching

Hayato

today...as far as I can see, the scum is 2 of him,

Shaddowez

and

Andrew

, with a small small outside shot of

Formerfish

, but he's far, far behind the rest of those three. But, I don't want to vote

Hayato

juuust yet.

First, I want

Babi

to say who he'll jail in the case the person we lynch flips scum, then I'll be comfortable putting

Hayato

at L-1...I don't want

Andrew

coming along before

Babi

can say anything.

[Formerfish]

Consider this L-1 since we have some derpy play going on.

[shaddowez]

I'm willing to offer myself to be jailed for the night. The mafia could go with a no kill to get me lynched if you do, but since four of you already have me pegged as scum, I'm expecting to be lynched tomorrow anyway.

[Alina]

@

Formerfish

Hurtful.

@

Shaddowez

If the scum no kill, that just gives us an extra lynch, so if they do do that that actually helps us out, lol.

[shaddowez]

It makes sense in context, but the "do do that that" hurt my brain

[Alina]

Well, if

Hayato

flips roleblocker, it's as good as a cop clear if someone dies. Otherwise, they can keep no killing til the end of the game and let us keep lynching until we catch them. It's a fair bit complicated, but I think it gives us a good advantage provided

Hayato

flips right. If he flips town by pulling the same witchery

Neil

did...well, then

Babi

can jail whoever and hopefully there isn't a roleblocker and he gets it right.

[Formerfish]

The derp has nothing to do with you Alina.

[Formerfish]

I'm willing to offer myself to be jailed for the night. The mafia could go with a no kill to get me lynched if you do, but since four of you already have me pegged as scum, I'm expecting to be lynched tomorrow anyway.

Seriously do not like this post.

[Alina]

The wording is kind of weird in it, yeah. What was the derp btw? I feel stupid for missing it.

[shaddowez]

I'm willing to offer myself to be jailed for the night. The mafia could go with a no kill to get me lynched if you do, but since four of you already have me pegged as scum, I'm expecting to be lynched tomorrow anyway.

Seriously do not like this post.

Any insight as to why? Alina, Clusk, Huntress, and Babi have all specifically said I'm in at least their top three scum, and at least one of them think I'm scumbuddies with blue/hayatao. Whether or not haya gets lynched and flips scum, if I'm not the one jailed and a kill happens, chances are I'm lynched. If haya flips scum, I am jailed and a kill happens, I become conftown.

[Formerfish]

You said it yourself, scum would just no kill and let the wifom run rampant. And if you were scum you would just be like "I swearz I'm not scum guiz, come on they framed me. IT WAS THE ONE ARMED MAN I TELL YOU!"

[shaddowez]

I was actually just echoing was Alina said when she first brought up the idea:

There IS the possibility of the scum no killing, but, if they did that we could just put it into an endless loop that never stops by no lynching, meaning they'd just be forfeiting the game.

[Formerfish]

Right, but she didn't offer herself up for being a front runner in most peoples minds. You offer yourself up and in the same post explain a) what scum should do (no kill), and b) explain why you will never die in the upcoming nights (scum would be pants on head retarded to no kill tomorrow to frame you and then kill you).

So no, I am not a huge fan of your post, I get the idea behind it, but there is no way that it would ever actually have a favorable outcome.

[shaddowez]

I see your point about telling scum what to do. I do disagree with you on the favorable outcome part, however. As

Alina

already stated, if they no kill we get another day of reads and a free lynch day. If they do kill, we have a conftown. While neither of these may be the

optimal

outcome, I'd say either of these are favorable.

[Formerfish]

I don't think you get it. They will no kill if you are town, and if you are scum you will no kill. Also, this is wholly dependent on us lynching scum right here. And if you are town then we are going to go through a whole lot of back and forth with so much wifom that we will all get drunk.

[BabiSoup]

I'll jailkeep Shaddowez if hayato flips scum.

[Alina]

Okay, cool.

VOTE: Hayato

If anyone's gonna hammer, at least make sure everyone on the wagon is still cool with it. Claims at this current point with the knowledge we have are pretty useless, btw.

[Clusk92]

I'd like to hear a proper detailed defence from Hayato before showing intent to hammer.

[Clusk92]

Okay, cool.

VOTE: Hayato

If anyone's gonna hammer, at least make sure everyone on the wagon is still cool with it. Claims at this current point with the knowledge we have are pretty useless, btw.

What if he claims 1 Shot Bulletproof?

[Alina]

It means nothing and is as good as a VT claim. The scum know whether or not a bulletproof is in the game, if they have 2 goons, there is no bulletproof and no other power role, meaning, either of them could claim bulletproof and then we could believe them, and let them ride to the end. I wouldn't take a claim like that with certainty at all.

[Alina]

The only way a bulletproof claim should be believed is if we lynch a roleblocker first and there is no CC.