Mini 1578: Lord of the Rings!! - GaME OVeR

[Guyett]

I'm not voting anyone and I still have my double vote

[Aronis]

VOTE: Proto

Wouldn't mind hearing from Rach though.

[Protogonos]

Great. Scum is Aronis.

I was asking to see whether it made any sense whatsoever for Guyett to act like he did yesterday (fake-hammering Aronis, bussing FH, etc.). It does not really make any sense for Guyett to do that as scum, but I thought it may make some sense if he was worried about my being third-party. That does not seem to be the case.

The last scum is Aronis. The scumteam clearly chose not to or failed to use the Vanillaiser and decided to play aggressively in mylo, hoping to secure a mislynch via the guilty claim. Which is exactly how I won a scumgame recently.

On the off chance the Rach is scum, she deserves this win for hardcore bussing yesterday, not hammering Aronis, etc.



And just so we are clear, my being scum would mean

both

that I am actually a burglar attempting to get the Ring (unless this is somehow an elaborate fakeclaim)

and

a redirector

and

someone who can NK. Which...I guess is technically possible, but not particularly likely.

[Guyett]

This is me not hammering Proto

[Guyett]

I am also wondering why you haveb;t voted Aronis if you think he's scum???

[Protogonos]

Is there some hurry? Would you like me to vote him now?

[Guyett]

I'd like to know why you aren't voting someone you have worked out is scum by PoE???

I'm goin out soon and will read up later and make my mind up on Aronis and you.

[Protogonos]

VOTE: Aronis

It is lylo. We are dealing with a very small number of players. It is my consistent policy not to vote in lylo until there is already a consensus. Why do I adhere to such a policy? I have lost several games as town in the last year because of players voting (me, incidentally) within two posts of the beginning of the lylo day.

Perhaps you could clarify why such a risk is ever appropriate. Maybe around when you explain why lynching someone in mylo makes more sense than NLing.

[Guyett]

Proto who is your main if you don't mind me asking?

I have a high tempo play style and I don't really like to wait around too much with stuff. The way I saw things yesterday is we had a mass claim and there were no investigative roles in play there was a conf town who is usually NK target. It made no sense to me to delay a decision that would have to be made and tbh if I am to lose by town mislynching I kind of want to be at fault for it and not leave the game up to others.

I'm going to think on things but right now I think I want to lynch you proto.

Rach doesn't make sense as scum here. If she is scum she's scum with FH... why would scum rach hard bus when in this situation both Aronis and sns are town and both are countering each other.
Also the fact that (I think) the other players in the game don't suspect her to be scum is probably a good sign.

Aronis play is odd here... but its always odd. He is lynchbait usually. I don't know if he's been setup as a mislynch or not :/
However it is strange that Proto is voting him despite apparently not finding a ring on him. If aronis is scum he should have the ring. Surely Proto's 'investigation' would have cleared Aronis.

There is also that weird proto play where he seemed to know rein would flip town and the fight with bulba could have been scum theatre.
Also he was happy to push a lynch on the 1 v 1 between aronis and sns but didn't want to lynch FH.

[Guyett]

reinoe - Frodo, town ringbearer, Lynched D1
Prohawk - Aragorn, town Friendly Neighbour, Killed N1
Drew-Sta - Sméagol, town ringbearer, Lynched D2
Toogeloo - Sam, town VT, Killed N2
ThreetoMango - Boromir, town bodyguard, Lynched D3
Freja - Treebeard, town one shot vig, Killed N3
snscompt1 - Merry, town VT, Killed N4

Fail Hydra - The Witch-King of Angmar, Scum One-shot Vanillaizer, Lynched D4
Bulbazak - Lurtz, scum Goon, Killed N2


+

Guyett - Elrond, double voter
Rach - Pippin, VT
Aronis - Rolecop (vanillirized N3)
Proto - Burgler

Its either Proto or Aronis


Looking at the setup here. If Proto is town I think Aronis is a role cop and is prob the Eye of Sauron. I think he did say Freija was Treebeard before freija said it so he prob is rolecop. However Aronis and FH could have decided to try force a guilty on Sns by claiming he is has the flavour of FH and try claim redirection if things went wrong. I'd assume that the scum team wasted their vanillizer on someone without a power too. Also scum aronis would prob kill sns over me for wifom and because I'd prob trust him.

Double Voter
Burgler
Friendly Neighbour
One shot Vig
Bodyguard
ring bearer
ring bearer
VT
VT
VT

Vs

Rolecop
one shot vanilliser
goon

Or maybe proto is lying and Aronis has been honest

Double Voter
Rolecop
Friendly Neighbour
One shot Vig
Bodyguard
ring bearer
ring bearer
VT
VT
VT

Vs

Redirector???
one shot vanilliser
goon

This setup has the bonus of scum team having pseudo protection from the vig in the form of a redirector. You could argue that the bodyguard could also be pseudo protection for the scum team if the bodyguard protects scum (as 3-2-mango did on bulba)
Vanilliser is a pretty strong scum role and having one ring bearer change alignment does address some balance issues...


now I'm leaning towards aronis being scum... I need to think on this

[Aronis]

Ughhh. Why did my results just have to go haywire.

[Protogonos]

Proto who is your main if you don't mind me asking?

I do. I created this as a secret alt. If you are seriously planning to hammer me, I will reveal my main. But please do not fake me out.

I have a high tempo play style and I don't really like to wait around too much with stuff. The way I saw things yesterday is we had a mass claim and there were no investigative roles in play there was a conf town who is usually NK target.

It made no sense to me to delay a decision that would have to be made and tbh if I am to lose by town mislynching I kind of want to be at fault for it and not leave the game up to others.

Sure, but that reasoning is all about you.

However it is strange that Proto is voting him despite apparently not finding a ring on him. If aronis is scum he should have the ring. Surely Proto's 'investigation' would have cleared Aronis.

Not if the Ring is out of play, which seems to be the case. My guess is that the Ring is gone forever, either because it disappeared with a Ringbearer dying, or it is permanently in scum's possession.

Also he was happy to push a lynch on the 1 v 1 between aronis and sns but didn't want to lynch FH.

What are you talking about? I had no problem lynching FH; in fact, I stated as much in this post. I was initially more willing to lynch FH than Aronis or sns because there was no way he was not scum. My thought process thereabout was completely transparent. To say that I pushed a 1v1 between Aronis and sns is simply revisionist history with absolutely no basis in fact whatsoever. I cannot help it that you all quickhammered FH when I was asleep. And you are more than welcome to compare my interactions with FH with those of Aronis and FH. Let me know who comes out looking worse.

[RachMarie]

Cable net is fixed going to ISO and do some look at wagons here.

[Guyett]

I have a high tempo play style and I don't really like to wait around too much with stuff. The way I saw things yesterday is we had a mass claim and there were no investigative roles in play there was a conf town who is usually NK target. It made no sense to me to delay a decision that would have to be made and tbh if I am to lose by town mislynching I kind of want to be at fault for it and not leave the game up to others.

Sure, but that reasoning is all about you.

I would feel the same if I was a non confirmed townie and there was another conf townie. I know when to no lynch in MyLo and when not to. I don't agree with no lynching in mylo just for the sake of it. As it turns out I was right, you 'investigated' Aronis and nothing new would have happened. I'd have been dead and FH would still be alive. You'd all probably have continued to push the 1v1 between Aronis and sns.

Have I played with you before?

[RachMarie]

double voter still? That seems odd this late in the game?

Arent we in LYLO?

[Guyett]

4 alive with 1 scum (I think) means we're in mylo surely.

[Guyett]

double voter still? That seems odd this late in the game?

It has been proven in a VC today. I'm cnf town or I'd have hammered already

[RachMarie]

Still its odd, not saying it is scummy, since usually abilities like that end when you go into LYLO/MYLO

[RachMarie]

If we are in MYLO should we just No Lynch?

[Guyett]

If we are in MYLO should we just No Lynch?

what would be the point?

[Guyett]

I'm prob gonna hammer aronis soon. If anyone wants to discuss things I'm all ears

[Aronis]

Give me a min.

[Aronis]

I'm prob gonna hammer aronis soon. If anyone wants to discuss things I'm all ears

So I fully understand why you're lynching me. But how are Protos 'results' any better? We went around and nobody had the ring, so scum was probably lying. Yet he has tried to take it from me twice and I don't have it, so with one scum left, it's almost the equivalent of an Innocent result.

[Guyett]

write a case on why you're town and he's scum pls

[Aronis]

I don't think Rach is really scum, but like all she's done is comment on you still being a Doublevoter.