Newbie 1517: Crossroads Mafia (Game Over)

[T S O]

Victor seems to have chronic paranoia this game.

You base that on just one post with content from him?

I've also seen him in other games.

There's multiple examples of needless worry in that post, not just one. I don't know why Vic's being so paranoid of me.

It also doesn't sit right with me that Victor is pushing me for townreading Doogal, yet in his next point, has issues with a wagon on me.

[penguin_alien]

Vote count 1.02:

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch!

Clusk92 (L-5):
Billi bilaoi (L-5):
Doogal121 (L-4): VictorDeAngelo
Lucy (L-5):
shaddowez (L-5):
Alesteors (L-5):
VictorDeAngelo (L-3): Clusk92, shaddowez
RachMarie (L-4): TSO
T S O (L-2): Lucy, RachMarie, Billi bilaoi

Not voting: Doogal121, Alesteors

V/LA: Lucy from 7/11-7/13

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-07-24 00:46:38)

Prodding Alesteors

[Billi bilaði]

I think VictorDeAngelo is much more deserving of my vote than T S O.

Best to put him at L-2:
UNVOTE: VOTE: VictorDeAngelo

[Clusk92]

Shameful prod dodge post here, but there's not been much activity so.

Reads so far:

Town

:

Doogal

Leantown

:

TSO
Billi

Leanscum

:

Victor

The rest are null.

[shaddowez]

TSO - Do you have any reads to give? You've thrown out random one-liners here and there, but nothing with any real meat to it. You also still have your vote on Rach from RVS.

@Mod

- Can we get a prod on Rach please?

[T S O]

Not particularly. Activity is rubbish, and my attempts to understand people aren't really working.

I think Doogal's town, I didn't like Victor's post. I don't think anyone actually has different reads at this juncture.

[T S O]

Rach usually lurks to a degree, you'll have to accept it, my boy.

Victor doesn't really.

[T S O]

Anyway, Lucy's back!

Unvote
Vote: Lucy

[VictorDeAngelo]

Well it seems this pace has been set to relaxing stroll, pacewise. It least it'll give me time to work on my other games. In meantime...

I also don't like how easy TSO townreads Doogal for something he knows Doogal does every game.

I'm not townreading Doogal for not votng; I'm townreading him for continuing to do it after people told him not to.

I've seen exactly one game of Doogal's, where he was Town ...so why should I assume Doogal does this as scum?

You assume that doing it makes him town so you're assuming he doesn't do it as scum. If Doogal not voting for a week was something he only did as town then that would make him the easiest catch scum ever. I doubt he's that obvious.

I like Clusk's vote in 71.

Bill on the other hand is probably scum. He held off voting in 67 despite saying the post was suspicious, then right after Shadowez highlights what he didn't like about my post Bill eagerly rewrites it in 73 and only gets around to voting in 77.

Rach usually lurks to a degree, you'll have to accept it, my boy.

Victor doesn't really.

Your metaread on me is based on what exactly?

And that vote in 82 was terrible. Heck your more deserving of my vote than Bill.

VOTE: TSO

If the scumteam ends up being TSO/Bill I will disappointed by how easy this game is.

Also SE advice; get more active. I know Rach is vla but the rest of you need to be doing stuff. Scum won't catch themselves. It also makes for a boring game (and if the game is boring players like myself will just replace out).

[Billi bilaði]

...
If the scumteam ends up being TSO/Bill I will disappointed by how easy this game is.

Also SE advice; get more active. I know Rach is vla but the rest of you need to be doing stuff. Scum won't catch themselves. It also makes for a boring game (

and if the game is boring players like myself will just replace out

).

Oh, you're one of these players.

[VictorDeAngelo]

one of what players?

[Doogal121]

T S O, can you please explain what you mean by Lucy's back? I don't see her yet... Where do you see her?

[T S O]

I also don't like how easy TSO townreads Doogal for something he knows Doogal does every game.

I'm not townreading Doogal for not votng; I'm townreading him for continuing to do it after people told him not to.
I've seen exactly one game of Doogal's, where he was Town ...so why should I assume Doogal does this as scum?

You assume that doing it makes him town so you're assuming he doesn't do it as scum. If Doogal not voting for a week was something he only did as town then that would make him the easiest catch scum ever. I doubt he's that obvious.

Either you're not reading what I'm saying or you're directly misrepresenting it. I didn't say Doogal was Town for not voting. I said that he didn't give into pressure in the form of more experienced players telling him not to do it. That's a really strong newbtown tell. This regularly happens, just with different scenarios each time. Usually they've came from other sites where that's the common thing to do.

If Doogal was scum, odds are he'd have became flustered at us telling him not to do it, felt it was bringing unneeded pressure on him, and voted someone. He didn't.

I like Clusk's vote in 71.

I fail to understand why you like people voting you. The only reason you could say this is because you're buddying Clusk.

Bill on the other hand is probably scum. He held off voting in 67 despite saying the post was suspicious, then right after Shadowez highlights what he didn't like about my post Bill eagerly rewrites it in 73 and only gets around to voting in 77.

To summarise this: Bill did not vote you straight away and agrees with people calling you scum, therefore Bill is scum.

That's a terrible argument which looks like you just want to survive at all costs.

Rach usually lurks to a degree, you'll have to accept it, my boy.
Victor doesn't really.

Your metaread on me is based on what exactly?

Open 555.

And that vote in 82 was terrible. Heck your more deserving of my vote than Bill.

VOTE: TSO

How was my vote terrible again? You're very good at calling things bad, but you're pretty bad at explaining why.

If the scumteam ends up being TSO/Bill I will disappointed by how easy this game is.

What exactly makes you think it's a TSO/Bill scumteam again? Our suspicion of you?

Because that's a fairly universal read at this point; your play is really reactionary and you're hellbent on calling me scum - I don't think anyone's actually townreading you at this stage.

[T S O]

T S O, can you please explain what you mean by Lucy's back? I don't see her yet... Where do you see her?

Her V/LA expired a day or two ago - therefore she should be posting here.

[Doogal121]

@TSO: Thanks for that, I just was trying to see if there might have been a scumslip there. Thanks for Open 555, I'll read through it later. Also, I've been following you on HP:POA so I know how you will react when you replace into a suspected scum slot that is actually a reflexive roleblocker. Because that might come up.

Do not talk about ongoing games. Period.

[T S O]

Indeed... an interesting game, to say the least.

You should be careful about talking about ongoing games, Doogal. I doubt the mods will punish you because you didn't say much, but they're notoriously strict about not talking about them. I talked about a game in another game once and that game was terminated immediately. No, really.

There's no real read to look through 555, unless you're interested in Victor's scumplay, other than to note he -was- active there.

[T S O]

V/LA indefinitely.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I also don't like how easy TSO townreads Doogal for something he knows Doogal does every game.

I'm not townreading Doogal for not votng; I'm townreading him for continuing to do it after people told him not to.
I've seen exactly one game of Doogal's, where he was Town ...so why should I assume Doogal does this as scum?

You assume that doing it makes him town so you're assuming he doesn't do it as scum. If Doogal not voting for a week was something he only did as town then that would make him the easiest catch scum ever. I doubt he's that obvious.

Either you're not reading what I'm saying or you're directly misrepresenting it. I didn't say Doogal was Town for not voting. I said that he didn't give into pressure in the form of more experienced players telling him not to do it. That's a really strong newbtown tell. This regularly happens, just with different scenarios each time. Usually they've came from other sites where that's the common thing to do.

If Doogal was scum, odds are he'd have became flustered at us telling him not to do it, felt it was bringing unneeded pressure on him, and voted someone. He didn't.

You seem to be the one making the assumptions here. At the end of the day you are giving someone townpoints for something which I don't think makes them necessarily town.

I like Clusk's vote in 71.

I fail to understand why you like people voting you. The only reason you could say this is because you're buddying Clusk.

Or... what he did was exactly what I wanted to see happen.

Bill on the other hand is probably scum. He held off voting in 67 despite saying the post was suspicious, then right after Shadowez highlights what he didn't like about my post Bill eagerly rewrites it in 73 and only gets around to voting in 77.

To summarise this: Bill did not vote you straight away and agrees with people calling you scum, therefore Bill is scum.

That's a terrible argument which looks like you just want to survive at all costs.

To summarise Clusk reaction townie - Bill's hesistancy scummy. Just in case you need me to spell out stuff.

Rach usually lurks to a degree, you'll have to accept it, my boy.
Victor doesn't really.

Your metaread on me is based on what exactly?

Open 555.

Oh yeah, I forgot you were in that game for like five minutes. Hardly enough to really claim to have any clue with regards to my style.

And that vote in 82 was terrible. Heck your more deserving of my vote than Bill.

VOTE: TSO

How was my vote terrible again? You're very good at calling things bad, but you're pretty bad at explaining why.

Because if I explained every obvious thing it would reach the point where I would be patronising people.

If the scumteam ends up being TSO/Bill I will disappointed by how easy this game is.

What exactly makes you think it's a TSO/Bill scumteam again? Our suspicion of you?

Because that's a fairly universal read at this point; your play is really reactionary and you're hellbent on calling me scum - I don't think anyone's actually townreading you at this stage.[/quote]

Are you reading each post, responding and then immediately forgetting it? Because I think I said pretty clearly why I think you two are scum.

[Doogal121]

Indeed... an interesting game, to say the least.

You should be careful about talking about ongoing games, Doogal. I doubt the mods will punish you because you didn't say much, but they're notoriously strict about not talking about them. I talked about a game in another game once and that game was terminated immediately. No, really.

There's no real read to look through 555, unless you're interested in Victor's scumplay, other than to note he -was- active there.

Sorry, I'll be sure not to mention anything of the sort again.

[Billi bilaði]

one of what players?

Quitter, if you don't get things your way.

[Billi bilaði]

V/LA indefinitely.

?
I had to look this up in a dictionary to understand this didn't mean "forever" (i.e. quitting). (English is my second language.)

So, how does a "V/LA indefinitely" work?

[Billi bilaði]

...
Because I think I said pretty clearly why I think you two are scum.

I'm pretty clear on why you think I am in the mafia (although I know you are barking up the wrong tree there), but it is equally unclear to me why you are putting T S O in the same category.
T S O votes for a player with the total of 1 post, who should be back from V/LA, and there isn't even a remote lynch danger from that vote.
Can you spell your reasons out for me?

[VictorDeAngelo]

...
Because I think I said pretty clearly why I think you two are scum.

I'm pretty clear on why you think I am in the mafia (although I know you are barking up the wrong tree there), but it is equally unclear to me why you are putting T S O in the same category.

T S O votes for a player with the total of 1 post, who should be back from V/LA, and there isn't even a remote lynch danger from that vote.

Can you spell your reasons out for me?

You see the bolded. That's a pretty scummy thing to do.

[Clusk92]

Victor, are you implying your scummy looking vote on Doogal was just you fishing for reactions?

[Clusk92]

Because that's a typical excuse for scum when they do something scummy.