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[ActionDan]

DGB's behavior could come from a scum DGB or a town DGB. I still believe her behavior wrt Sala is more indicative of scum. Is Bookitty V/LA or something?

[ReallySexyDudes]

DGB never once claimed who the members of the neighborhood were. She claimed the character names of her partners. You were the one who outted who the player names were.

VOTE: Venmar

I don't trust this neighborhood.

(Also if we did, it was Majiffy, and DGB was the first one who revealed its existance and essentially hardcore crumbed if not blatantly revealed that I, us, were in it in that post)

[DrippingGoofball]

essentially hardcore crumbed

I'll eat my hat if anyone actually caught this breadcrumb.

[mastin2]

DGB never once claimed who the members of the neighborhood were. She claimed the character names of her partners. You were the one who outted who the player names were.

VOTE: Venmar
I don't trust this neighborhood.

Bluntly.
Nobody.
NOBODY.
Would catch that 'crumb

unless they were specifically looking for the crumb

. (I.e., you.)
There's a reason it's called "crumbing" and not "flat-out claiming".

I missed it.
I'm sure others missed it.
DGB might not have been exactly subtle.
But she did not claim it. That was more on your end by your reaction to it.

[Antihero]

WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS?

i just got a prod for this game i forgot i'm in that's now apparently on day 2 ._.

well, now that i've had a reverse head start, let's see what's up with this...

[Antihero]

i see you all quicklynched sal... gambit gone wrong or what?

regardless, skot's already a scumread on page 2. his glib post 45 is :scumposting:

bookitty's another one with the "oh look how town i am hominahominahomina" post....

i'm quickly seeing why peregrine keeled over night 1; he may have been wrong about sal, but i think he caught scum in the crossfire (see: actiondan and bookitty).

speaking of actiondan, post 62 is a doozy..., especially given the thing above it at bookitty

...the hell is this version of DGB, i don't remember this one...

yadayadayada... oh how did i guess.... gambit gone wrong.

on page 6 now.
venmar's pinging for me, mostly because of his reaction to the daycop gambit. where's jiffy?

overall, i agree with mastin's conclusion from day 1 that the wagon was scummier than the bottom of a fishtank (see: bookitty, skot, 'jiffyhydra).

...speaking of those people, holy shit: these votes

PeregrineV, Dr. Pants, Messiah Complex,

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

, DrippingGoofball, Bookitty,

ReallySexyDudes

, BBmolla, Muki, TheGottemer
Slandaar, Dripping Goofball,

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

,

Really Sexy Dudes

, Jackal711

they're even in the same order.

gut's also pinging desp because dr. pants is a pretty decent townread at this point.

excellent. now mastin's decided i'm scum. got my ticket to the shit show... /sigh. it's not because of my role PM, though.

the axes my reads are spinning on so far:
strongest town: [mastin, DGB, slandaar, Dr Pants, (justin is close)]
strongest scum: [bookitty, SKOT, 'jiffyhydra]

VOTE: bookitty

[Antihero]

c'mon mastin, let's either kiss and make up or just lynch me because i don't really have the energy to play games with you.

[Dr Pants]

anti is 100% town

[mastin2]

Fine.
You could be scum-parroting me, but I'll let you be town for now. 'Cause if you're scum-parroting-me, at least you're bussing your scumbuddies.

(That's a, "maybe, but definitely getting a free pass for now".)

[BBmolla]

Hey I'm gonna vig DGB tonight, anyone opposed?

[Dr Pants]

lol ok you do that then, "vig"

[ReallySexyDudes]

venmar's pinging for me, mostly because of his reaction to the daycop gambit. where's jiffy?

Page 6 is all majiffy :/

[Antihero]

really?

that's actually... kind of worse...

[TheGottemer]

Hi guys. Sorry I haven't posted in a while. My internet access is unreliable. Anyway, I am gonna catch up now. See you in a bit.

[Xisiqomelir]

She'd have been telling the truth about her own alignment, but "neighbourhood" implies scum. So 3 person neighbourhood minus one town does not make me think "2 masons".

DGBtown isn't going to tell us to consider them masons unless we should do.

It is quite clear cut either the PM's made it clear enough both Body and Poot are in the game or there is enough grey area that they can be fake claims in which case DGBtown would not be pushing that lynching her makes the other two neighbours masons.

Slandaar, I understand very clearly why you think she's not town-DGB (above case is impossible), while additionally I don't see anything near the level of scumhunting one would expect from Town-DGB, but I can't fathom why scum would self-vote and push their own wagon, hence my jester/etc thoughts.

[Xisiqomelir]

1) DGB is a town neighbour:
- She is self-voting, playing against wincon and risking modkill. - Unlikely
- This is a ruse and she will call scum from interactions around her wagon later today - Possible

I am playing for my wincon to create masons in the other two neighbors and I'm not getting modkilled.

It's not a ruse. Just vote me.

Outside the ambit of {

DrippingGoofball, Majvenmar, Gottemer

} do you have no thoughts at all about Day 2? The two fair-sized wagons? Yesterday's kill? Any of the other 14 posters?

Less analysis because you're vexed at the hydra's poststyle I could understand. A void of analysis is baffling.

The point was if DGB were town she would know she doesn't need to be lynched for her neighbours to already be considered masons.

As the snitch-flavored neighbor, my scum hunting is tainted. No one should pay attention to anything I say while alive. And historically no one pays attention after you're dead and flipped town (see Pikmin Mafia LOL).

Further, Gottemer and RSD should do nothing but try to lynch me all game as they are correctly doing. Everyone else should comply.

I decided the best way to play this role is to get lynched.

Speaking of Pikmin, I haven't seen anything near this calibre of post-quality out of you this game:

Unfortunately I'd be hard-pressed to explain it, but I feel that she's scumhunting like scum. Not really reading or paying attention, targeting the noisier players (kuribo and myself in this instance) with trash like "you seem nervous" and not following through herself, but hoping to get others to do her dirty work. Kinda drawing attention to the unlynchables in the hope of discrediting them, and if they are lynched, freeing her NK for something other than the mandatory N1 NK of the more influencial or experienced players.

Scum 101, really.

Leviathan is fitting the classic profile of the nervous, inexperienced scum that the scum team want to jettison in the hope of getting town cred. A recent example is Gay Mafia II where a scum was bus'ed quite vigorously. Reading the scum QT, he let on to his buddies that he was very insecure with his play. So they pushed his lynch to get rid of the weak link in the team.

I have to work out your angle with the self-vote.

[Xisiqomelir]

WIFOMing out why PV died, which you did, is scummy to a lesser extent.

Town is killed at night for various reasons. Sometimes because they are direct threats to scum, sometimes in an effort to mislead town. I believe more discussion is of greater benefit to town than less discussion, and I'm disturbed that you'd try to exert a chilling effect on that discussion.

[Slandaar]

My trap card

I was going to leave it a bit longer to see if she would actually start to do any scum hunting...

Welcome to the town block Xis.

[Bookitty]

Sorry for my lack of posting. Work issues have been comprehensively kicking my butt. I hope to have time later on today to respond to mastin's mountain of posts describing why everyone and their little dog are scum.

I still don't see any scum motivation for DGB's self-lynch appeal. I don't think she's right about it; I think she's mad at/sick of RSD and she doesn't want to play with them. That's not a good enough reason in my view to consider them conftown and it isn't a good enough reason to exit the game early.

I'll have more later today.

[Slandaar]

I agree, that is definitely not a good reason to consider them conftown.

[Xisiqomelir]

I don't particularly like Mastin this game.

I've played 3 games with Mastin, and I'm having a hard time reading her this game. I don't understand the DGB position or defence of Salamence's maidenly virtue, but there's a sincerity coming through with some of the townreads.

Her?

We shouldn't deviate from DGB either.

If you can help me work out the self-voting thing I'll join you. While we are on the subject of your neighbourhood, what has Gottemer felt like in the QT?

[Xisiqomelir]

She'd have been telling the truth about her own alignment, but "neighbourhood" implies scum. So 3 person neighbourhood minus one town does not make me think "2 masons".

Dead serious.
I will lynch anyone.
Policy-lynch anyone.
Who seriously advocates neighborhood paranoia just because of it being a neighborhood.
It being 3p does not excuse this.

I've been in a town-3p neighborhood.
I've seen plenty OF town-3p neighborhoods.
In fact it's been years since I've actually SEEN a 3p neighborhood with one scum in it.

Neighborhoods in current site meta are effectively "masons that you don't want to be confirmed town". In other words, all town but where there is a chance (thanks to paranoia of not being masons) of them not being town, thus, making them lynchable. (Inversely, most NEIGHBORIZERS these days are scum. I have a very, very large tendency to place trust in my neighbors if in a neighborhood from the start, and distrust in my neighborizer if recruited.)

Are you going to PL the MS wiki?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

Play Advice

If you are one of three Neighbors, chances are reasonable that one of the other Neighbors is scum.

If you are one of four Neighbors, chances are very good that at least one of the other Neighbors is scum.

If there are multiple Neighborhoods in the same game, chances are very good that at least one of them has a scum Neighbor.

If you are one of more than four Neighbors, it is nearly certain that at least one representative of every anti-town faction is in the Neighborhood.

[Slandaar]

Because she is the only name in the neighborhood who could be scum to her.

To her, she as town would know, that isn't possible.

You don't think a better idea from her POV would be to actually scumhunt and be town in thread and try to head toward a 3 person 'mansonry' rather than 'try' to be lynched? If they are only masons to her then she can try and unify the neighbourhood and actually be town without having to be lynched herself.

I see you ignored my earlier point, you never commented on her vote on Sala, I would like you to.

[ReallySexyDudes]

really?

that's actually... kind of worse...

If you can't see the town shining off us like a beacon of beautiful hope, then there isn't any hope for you.

[Dr Pants]

WIFOMing out why PV died, which you did, is scummy to a lesser extent.

Town is killed at night for various reasons. Sometimes because they are direct threats to scum, sometimes in an effort to mislead town. I believe more discussion is of greater benefit to town than less discussion, and I'm disturbed that you'd try to exert a chilling effect on that discussion.

well just to be clear, its scummy for *undisclosed reasons*.

its scummy in general too though. There is much less information to be had from a nk than from a lynch. Very rarely will you see a scenario where "player 1 dies leads to player 2 as scum". All talking about the nk does is create a useless mess of WIFOM that doesn't help for the lynch.

besides, the only scum knows why PV was killed. Its only beneficial for scum to talk about the nk.