Newbie 1517: Crossroads Mafia (Game Over)

[RachMarie]

got good news

First of all, starting to feel a bit better in dealing with the diabetes and all the changes that were keeping me dizzy lightheaded and unable to focus and concentrate. It seems it takes a while for the body to get used doing without all those starchy based carbs.

Second of all, we were able to finally after a couple of days with tech support get my computer to go online with wireless on our ISP (power went out and since then was only able to connect to it via a wired connection on NS's desk and split online time with him.

[Glass]

@Doogal
Maybe you missed my question:

FOS: Billi for running up the votecount on TSO to L-2 while knowing one of the votes was V/LA and can't get off.

I want to know if this is an actual FOS, or continuing the joking you were doing in previous posts.

OK everybody, after detailed analysis of each players ISO's, I have come up with the following list of Town/Null/Lynchable

Billi - Trying to dig up inconsistencies in votes
Glass - Trying to scumhunt
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Clusk - Participating, not seeing much digging
Shaddows - Null
Acryon - No posts at all
Rach - Null
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TSO - Victor was right, I was uncomfortable how quickly you called me Town after I announced I wasn't voting.
Victor - For pushing TSO because he vote prodded a lurker.

My vote comes available tomorrow and I have no problems hammering either of the lynchables after a 24 hour notice to give time to talk their way off the gallows.

I'm a bit uncomfortable about how quickly you have me in your town category after last game as well.

Would scum Victor really be this nonchalant about being lynched?

Ehhh, there has been literally no pushback from this wagon so I am having my doubts as well. Need to look into other possibilities atm.

[RachMarie]

I think we need to rethink the Victor wagon seriously this feels like town resigned and aw f- it not like scum AtE

[Glass]

I'm pretty sure that scum do AtE, Rach.

[RachMarie]

of course they do but it is different usually its focused on AtE to try to not get lynched instead of ok F it lynch me

[Glass]

I see, I was misinterpreting your post.

[T S O]

The more experienced guys know this, but usually a wagon on town moves fast with no resistance, and a wagon on scum is hard to get people on and you have to fight for it.

I don't think anyone in the entire damn game has said one thing about Victor being town. There's nobody attempting to defuse a wagon on their scumbuddy. There's just acceptance.

I also don't think Victor's capable of baiting us as scum by not only telling us to hammer, but nonchalantly posting V/LA in the same post.

[T S O]

Unvote

[Glass]

Bill on the other hand is probably scum. He held off voting in 67 despite saying the post was suspicious, then right after Shadowez highlights what he didn't like about my post Bill eagerly rewrites it in 73 and only gets around to voting in 77.

So your advice is to jump right away with your vote on every post you don't like?

I think that victor actually makes a valid point here, from what I can tell your vote on TSO at the time was just a random vote. If your current vote is random, I see absolutely no reason to not change your vote to someone who you find suspicious.

[Billi bilaði]

...I don't think anyone in the entire damn game has said one thing about Victor being town. There's nobody attempting to defuse a wagon on their scumbuddy. There's just acceptance...

I've made records of everybody except RachMarie categorizing Victor as Mafioso, so, yes, I believe you're right about nobody defending Victor.

UNVOTE:

[Billi bilaði]

Bill on the other hand is probably scum. He held off voting in 67 despite saying the post was suspicious, then right after Shadowez highlights what he didn't like about my post Bill eagerly rewrites it in 73 and only gets around to voting in 77.

So your advice is to jump right away with your vote on every post you don't like?

I think that victor actually makes a valid point here, from what I can tell your vote on TSO at the time was just a random vote. If your current vote is random, I see absolutely no reason to not change your vote to someone who you find suspicious.

Yeah, maybe, but he packes it in statements that I have issues with.
I had recently put T S O to L-2 (in post 52, albeit all votes were RVS's), and didn't want to go back from that until everybody had had an opportunity to see that, and maybe take position on that.
I had no reason to put a first vote on Victor that would give no pressure at all.
When Victor went up to 2 votes (in posts 71 & 72), I did, however, see that as a better L-2 pressure than the T S O pressure, and so I moved my vote.

I do think the best responses come from actual pressures, and not just a single vote, so I usually look more towards using my vote in that way, especially on day one.

[acryon]

Bill on the other hand is probably scum. He held off voting in 67 despite saying the post was suspicious, then right after Shadowez highlights what he didn't like about my post Bill eagerly rewrites it in 73 and only gets around to voting in 77.

So your advice is to jump right away with your vote on every post you don't like?

I think that victor actually makes a valid point here, from what I can tell your vote on TSO at the time was just a random vote. If your current vote is random, I see absolutely no reason to not change your vote to someone who you find suspicious.

Yeah, maybe, but he packes it in statements that I have issues with.
I had recently put T S O to L-2 (in post 52, albeit all votes were RVS's), and didn't want to go back from that until everybody had had an opportunity to see that, and maybe take position on that.
I had no reason to put a first vote on Victor that would give no pressure at all.
When Victor went up to 2 votes (in posts 71 & 72), I did, however, see that as a better L-2 pressure than the T S O pressure, and so I moved my vote.

I do think the best responses come from actual pressures, and not just a single vote, so I usually look more towards using my vote in that way, especially on day one.

This is the point I tried to make in my post regarding that read from victor as well; it is just a weak argument IMO.

of course they do but it is different usually its focused on AtE to try to not get lynched instead of ok F it lynch me

In my experience, this is just as much mafia. Town doesn't want to lynch someone with a willingness to be lynched, so it makes sense for Victor to play on that I think. I am okay with holding off the wagon ATM, but I still stand by him either being mafia or a bad town, neither of which we want (although the latter is obviously a less savory lynch).

[Doogal121]

@Doogal
Maybe you missed my question:

FOS: Billi for running up the votecount on TSO to L-2 while knowing one of the votes was V/LA and can't get off.

I want to know if this is an actual FOS, or continuing the joking you were doing in previous posts.

OK everybody, after detailed analysis of each players ISO's, I have come up with the following list of Town/Null/Lynchable

Billi - Trying to dig up inconsistencies in votes
Glass - Trying to scumhunt
----
Clusk - Participating, not seeing much digging
Shaddows - Null
Acryon - No posts at all
Rach - Null
---
TSO - Victor was right, I was uncomfortable how quickly you called me Town after I announced I wasn't voting.
Victor - For pushing TSO because he vote prodded a lurker.

My vote comes available tomorrow and I have no problems hammering either of the lynchables after a 24 hour notice to give time to talk their way off the gallows.

I'm a bit uncomfortable about how quickly you have me in your town category after last game as well.

Would scum Victor really be this nonchalant about being lynched?

Ehhh, there has been literally no pushback from this wagon so I am having my doubts as well. Need to look into other possibilities atm.

Glass, that was not a joke, I had real concerns. I have since read his igloo mafia game and see that is well within his standard townie play. As for your read, you are different this game. It may be that you are town, it may just be that you don't have axle to go off. Last game, between you and axle, I had no idea what was going on. Your posts this game seem clearer and more to the point.

Now that my self imposed restraint period has past, I would like to

Vote: Rach

to get her involved in the game and participate in scum hunting, now that you are feeling better and having less computer issues.

PS, glad to hear you are feeling better. But I'm still voting for you.

[Glass]

VOTE: Clusk

[penguin_alien]

Vote count 1.05:

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch!

Clusk92 (L-4): Glass
Billi bilaoi (L-5):
Doogal121 (L-5):
Glass (L-5):
shaddowez (L-5):
acryon (L-5):
VictorDeAngelo (L-3): Clusk92, shaddowez
RachMarie (L-4): Doogal121
T S O (L-3): RachMarie, VictorDeAngelo

Not voting: acryon, TSO, Billi Bilaoi

V/LA: shaddowez through 7/20

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-07-24 00:46:38)

Prods go out tonight...

[penguin_alien]

Clusk92 has been prodded

[Billi bilaði]

VOTE: Clusk

Can you give an explanation of this vote?

[Clusk92]

No-ones stupid enough you're right, still possible for an accidental hammer though.

If you are worried about accidental hammerings, why don't you unvote?

Wasn't particularly worried - just explaining it was a possibility. I also think TSO's reasons for L-1 outweighed mine.

Doogal, I'd like to explain why you felt the need to wait a week to vote so you can 'take time talking and reading' and yet when its over you vote for Rach just to get her involved in the game. It makes the wait seem a bit pointless if that's the best vote you can come up with after analysing the thread.

[Clusk92]

With regards to Victor's attitude to being close to lynched, it could easily still be a scum bluff or scum who's given up easily, I've seen both before.

[Glass]

With regards to Victor's attitude to being close to lynched, it could easily still be a scum bluff or scum who's given up easily, I've seen both before.

Do you think that is the reason for victor's attitude?

[Doogal121]

No-ones stupid enough you're right, still possible for an accidental hammer though.

If you are worried about accidental hammerings, why don't you unvote?

Wasn't particularly worried - just explaining it was a possibility. I also think TSO's reasons for L-1 outweighed mine.

Doogal, I'd like to explain why you felt the need to wait a week to vote so you can 'take time talking and reading' and yet when its over you vote for Rach just to get her involved in the game. It makes the wait seem a bit pointless if that's the best vote you can come up with after analysing the thread.

Quite frankly, I don't have very good reads on most people. I didn't like the Victor wagon because no counter wagon appeared, so I decided to put my vote out on a lurker. Rach is active in other places, so getting her attention here with a vote makes sense.

[Glass]

@Acryon
Why haven't you voted victor?

[RachMarie]

Here

Still not convinced that dude is scum though

Glass could you clarify your reasons for thinking clusk is scum?

[Billi bilaði]

VOTE: Clusk

Can you give an explanation of this vote?

VOTE: Glass

[Glass]

Billi, are you voting me because you think I am scum or just because I ignored your question?

Can you give an explanation of this vote?

Glass could you clarify your reasons for thinking clusk is scum?

Because I have nothing to go off of and activity is non-existant. I think TSO and Rach are town. I also don't want to vote Doogal/billi atm. I was at least somewhat displeased with Clusk because of him expressing concern over L-1 and not removing his vote.

Now that I've said that my vote no longer has a purpose.

UNVOTE: