Open 561: Farmer's Market (Game Over)

Bins · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:25 am

You jumped to the Aronis conclusion too fast. Same with Don. You speculation about everything else, like the night kill, etc, seems way too forced.

I could be wrong. I'd rather wait for Aronis before I get into anything. Plus, it's not like I have to convince you that you're scum.

don_johnson · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:54 am

bins: if you noticed, I didn't vote anyone. I'm not "jumping" to any conclusions here. I'm honestly trying to figure out what the possibilities are. rereading my earlier post, I see a mistake or two in my thought process, but this whole scenario is a bit convoluted. I don't think scum would be dumb enough to just not give fruit and kill. but on the other hand, they could easily play the dumb card and get two townies for one(me and bulge). so I guess it may pay to reread aronis at this point. I was saying mathbandit for scum from page 4 and I agree that neil has come out of the gate with nostrils flaring, so I could see that pair pretty easily. I thought the pairs were fitz' idea, no? if aronis does flip town, then that means scum is either ice or in a pair depending on what aronis says. I realize I can be implicated in some of these scenarios, but I don't think its accurate to say "dj may be scum if so and so" when I know I am not scum. so whatevz. we need aronis for sure. did everyone else check in so far?

neil wrote: Nobody could make a case on Math with a straight face.

a) I had a case. legitimate. math diverted attention from his own early wagon. its pretty obvious imo.

b) what's also obvious is your mathlove. why don't you let math defend himself?

Bins · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:08 pm

Oops. Sorry! I didn't mean "same with don" as in you're doing that as well. I mean he's jumping to conclusions about you as well.

Bins · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:11 pm

Everyone else is accounted for except Aronis.

Xayzeck · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:11 pm

In post 658, don_johnson wrote:someone died. unless the scum are paired, whoever didn't give fruit is scum. right? if aronis flips town, then we know a)dj is not scum b)ice is not scum(unless aronis accuses him of lying) and c) scum is in a pair. right? I don't know. this is gonna make my head hurt, but let me know if I'm wrong. what are the possibilities here?

I don't get how aronis town means you're not scum?

havingfitz · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:57 am

In post 678, Bins wrote:Everyone else is accounted for except Aronis.

Aronis was on site again this morning (EST).

He is quickly becoming blacklist/policy lynch fodder for me. Pathetic player regardless of whatever his alignment might be.

Would still like to hear from him before lynching him.

Aronis · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:10 am

OMG. I am so sorry guys. I didnt get the message that night had started and forgot all about this, so I didnt send fruit. If you need to lynch me that's fine. I wish I had paid better attention. Sorry guys.

Bins · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:15 am

You got fruit though?

Aronis · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:21 am

I think so.

Bins · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:23 am

Weird. You should have gotten a message for that.

Bins · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:25 am

Alright.

I want to lynch Aronis, but on the high chance that he flips town, we don't get any info.
I'm not lynching Don.

If we lynch Math/Neil, and one of them flips scum, we can lynch the other immediately.

Or we can lynch Aronis, do fruit passing again in different pairs, and then lynch Neil/Math.

Aronis · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:26 am

Wait. Actually I didn't.

Aronis · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:26 am

I don't have any messages about it at least.

Bins · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:27 am

Oh. Well, fuck me then.

Ice/Aronis.

Pedit -- erhmm.

Aronis · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:31 am

So who was supposed to send me fruit?

Bins · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:37 am

IceGuy.

Bins · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:37 am

Why did you think you had recieved at first?

don_johnson · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:04 am

Xayzeck wrote:
In post 658, don_johnson wrote:someone died. unless the scum are paired, whoever didn't give fruit is scum. right? if aronis flips town, then we know a)dj is not scum b)ice is not scum(unless aronis accuses him of lying) and c) scum is in a pair. right? I don't know. this is gonna make my head hurt, but let me know if I'm wrong. what are the possibilities here?

I don't get how aronis town means you're not scum?

yeah. I think I'm wrong there. it wouldn't clear me.

havingfitz · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:38 am

Aronis...you really suck. Please don't join games....flake...and rejoin games if you are going to suck so badly. If you are in fact town you are fcuking things up for the other town members.

Seriously...you're a new policy lynch for me.

My problem with not thinking there is at least one (or two) scum in the trio of Aronis...Ice...and don_johnson is that if both scum ARE made up of one of the pairs not involving those three players...there was no way for them to know someone would fcuk up the passing fruit plan. So they either they assumed a fcuk up would happen or they didn't care because they were a pair and that would have only reduce the suspect pool to some pair contained amongst eight players. Still not the worst odds.

Sadly/happily though...I do not see how we can ignore the Aronis position and let it survive.

Aronis

...before we KILL (errr....lynch) you can you once again confirm...look...double check on whether or not you got any email stating receipt of fruit.

fcuk

Bins · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:43 am

It depends on whether or not we kill Ice or Aronis first.

neil1113 · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:23 am

The possibility is there, that Ice or Aronis killed Bulge to frame Don_Johnson. But Aronis just not playing the game... is either a ridiculous cheap plan as scum (Aronis using his lurking ability to literally screw us over), or a black-list worthy lack of attention / care for the town playing against his win condition as town. Seeing how quickly Ice was to jump on Aronis when he found out he didn't get a fruit was a bit opportunistic. I can see Aronis being... for lack of a better term, VI, and Ice killing Bulge to frame Don. Think about it, Ice and Don were both the main suspects coming into Day 2, so chances are they would continue to be the greatest suspect. Ice wanted to have something to push over Don, so he framed him. Luckily for Ice however, Aronis was durp town and forgot to fruit. So he can pull off a mislynch on Aronis now, by saying he didn't get fruit, then push a lynch on Don off as well the next day, by using Bulge dying as framework for another mislynch when Aronis inevitably flipped town.

But I could also see Aronis being cheap and with the help of whoever his partner is, using his lurking as an excuse to not submit fruit, but instead kill. It shocks me though, that Aronis didn't come on and go straight for Don, if that's what they were hoping to do with the set up. In fact, it's kind of shocking nobody is really gunning for Don after that kill. Which makes me wonder if the set up (if that's what it was) backfired? If so, that would point to Ice/Aronis scum.

Bins trying to force a case out of a bunch of logical fallacies between myself and Math is terrible play, and would make a philosophy major cringe, but is not a tell of scum by itself. Bins is just off her rocker it appears. I think we should stick to what the evidence supplies us, and not go on our own path trying to make sense of information we haven't been given yet (like scum is in pairs.) Bulge is dead, which means either Don killed Bulge to clear himself of not fruiting, Aronis killed Bulge and is using lurking as an excuse to clear himself of not fruiting, or Ice killed Bulge and thought he'd be able to out-fight Aronis with a push-comes-to-shove battle over not fruiting / thought Aronis would lurk his way through and Ice would get away with not fruiting, by then framing Don.

Either way, the lynch pool today is between Aronis, Ice, and Don. To consider anyone else lynchable today is anti-town, and ridiculous play.

Bins · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:35 am

My plan was only if Aronis claimed she got fruit and she claimed she did pass.

You wasted your time typing that up. I know it's between Don, Ice, Aronis.

I prefer Ice actually. But let's see what he has to say about not passing.

Bins · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:36 am

Oops why did I just change the gender of Aronis in my mind. M'bad.

IceGuy · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:52 am

Just to clarify, I gave fruit to Aronis.

neil1113 · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:01 am

In post 696, Bins wrote:You wasted your time typing that up. I know it's between Don, Ice, Aronis.

You realize not everything is about you... right? *facepalm*

I typed that up so that everyone has an idea of what the cases are against Don, Ice, and Aronis.

By the way, since you "know" it's between Don, Ice, and Aronis so well... how come you're so adamant about Don being town? I'm curious because you didn't have such a thorough town read on him yesterday, and there's no cops in this game so it's not like you could have a power role with your view (otherwise I wouldn't have asked)...

Your Don town read is rather sudden actually, and seemingly purpose-less.

If Don is lynched and flips scum, Bins is going to look really bad, FYI. I'm posting this as a note for future reference, if either of you are dead and flip scum.

As for who to vote, I feel like it's pretty simple. Aronis is either town, lying about Ice not giving him fruit and should be lynched, or Aronis is scum and is lying about Ice not giving him fruit, and should be lynched. If Aronis is lynched and flips town, then there's no reason for him to lie about Ice not giving him fruit. Which means Ice should be lynched tomorrow if Aronis flips town.

What do you think of this plan, IceGuy?

Confirming Vote: Aronis

VOTE: Aronis