Open 561: Farmer's Market (Game Over)

[Bins]

Caught up!

Don: I'm getting fairly good vibes from him, prob town.

Fitz: He's doing enough to be considered a light town read, nothing more.

Siv: Some of his posts weren't the greatest, but I liked the math exchange. Really think he's town at this point.

Former: Pretty much just null.

Math: Superconfscum

Bins: Prob the second scum, not liking her posts. Doesn't seem like she wants to take a stance on stuff.

Ice: Maaaybe town. Some stuff of his seemed town.

Aronis' reads.
He didn't have any of Neil.

[Xayzeck]

why did you put yourself on the list

i like that don and ice are in there too

[Bins]

I ain't even mad if we mislynch.-

You do realize at this point, that's not an option? If Aronis is town, he'll be modkilled for spamming and playing against his win condition. Especially after the hammer vote. He is definitely scum, there's no doubt about it.

P.Edit: Nice try implementing me Aronis. It's definitely believable. We're lynching me promptly tomorrow.

Isnt my alignment really obv? Like I was gonna die anyways. Just wanted a few fireworks before I did.

And you should think about who gets towncred from this, bc I really dont want him to win.

Ice is who he's talking about here. I have no idea how to take this.


It's very possible they threw Aronis under the bus to almost confirm Ice as town (in one way or another). That'd be a very good play. That's why I don't think Ice should live to the end. (sry sry if town)

[Bins]

why did you put yourself on the list

i like that don and ice are in there too

we're all the people that passed
lynch from us today

pass fruit tmmr
confirm everyone else as town

[IceGuy]

Therefore, purely because of setup, I don't think IceGuy and DJ should be anywhere near endgame.

Are you seriously saying the person closest to confirmed town should not be near endgame?

[Bins]

Therefore, purely because of setup, I don't think IceGuy and DJ should be anywhere near endgame.

Are you seriously saying the person closest to confirmed town should not be near endgame?

I don't like how you're saying you're close to confirm town.

Especially with the scenario that makes you scum.

[don_johnson]

I think we should be rereading and trying to find aronis' partner. imo, its most likely math or neil based on gameplay. once I get a read in maybe I'll have an actual case. ice's play yesterday seemed pretty genuine, and scumice means scum is running the longcon, which I find most players do not have the patience for. scum are usually trying to get things done as quick as possible. its a flaw, I know, because the longcon wins games, but its more of a rarity imo.

aronis' rvs vote is on hayato/neil. i'll reiterate that. I know its not an end all be all method of scumhunting, but it certainly piques my interest in neil. combined with neil's hurry up offense and whiteknighting of math, it makes for the start of a case. math, on his own, deserves a second look. ice would be my third choice atm, but that may change after a reread.

xay: I honestly think I should be the "most cleared" from yesterday. aronis' kill makes more sense as a framejob. why wouldn't aronis kill ice? I'm puzzled as to why scum shot at all. aronis seems to have been traded. and that's a pretty hefty trade, which brings me back to the longcon. which player stood the mostr to gain from the bulge kill and the ice/aronis standoff? imo, whoever survived the ice/aronis standoff was likely to be crowned conftown. fitz seems to have taken a dive in participation today which raises my hackles in that direction, because he seemed uber pro town until today. I don't know. I think it would behoove you to read the game at this point. that is my plan.

fitz: what are you thinking?

[havingfitz]

fitz: what are you thinking?

I should have time to devote to this game tomorrow. Still need to looks stuff over more.

[Formerfish]

Ok, first things first. I received fruit last night. Second, the fact that no one was killed last night tells us nothing about the last scummer. If they are in the passers it would be suicide for them to not pass, and if they are in the non-passers it would be equally bad since it would conftown like 4 people and allow us to just mislynch through the others until we get lucky and hit scum. So best bet for scum last night is to no kill, so yeah.

Bins, math might be scum, but he passed to me last night.

If we want to base todays lynch off of anything yesterday then I would be looking at Ice or Don.

I gave fruit to xay and received fruit.

So you got Neils fruit?

Definitely consider it but there are a lot of other possibilities
In my mind there's a greater chance he was framed and the other partner did nothing/passed normally to avoid suspicion of themself
My problem with ice scum is that Aronis claimed Ice didn't pass to him
I don't think he would out his partner like that
He was probably trying to take ice down

One thing you have to learn about this game is that you never put anything past scum. And think about this, what if Aro said that just so that we would be having this conversation right here? Scum could be lying about not receiving fruit, or he could be telling the truth because Ice is his partner and he is being cheeky.

@Neil

- Nope, that doesn’t clear anyone. Cast different shades, sure. But no, you are not clear and neither is the rest. Also, I was the other one who pushed Aro rather hard yesterday. As scum do you think I would hard bus when I had 2 other targets that I could have gone after?

Would you say you get mislynched as town a lot?

What is the point of this question?

but I don't see why they wouldn't have submitted the kill through the MIA person.

you can make other people submit stuff
right I almost forgot that

You are right, Scum2 could have directed the night kill and had Aro make the kill. And this would make sense with Ice saying that he didn’t get fruit. Ice could still be scum here though if he knew this was going to happen and hard bussed his shitty partner.

I hate people who deem themselves confirmed town.

Vote DJ

I’ll vote Ice or Neil as well.

[Bins]

Math passing you last night doesn't mean anything at all.

And I addressed the Ice situation. I do know how Ice could possibly be scum and I mentioned it.


btw Ice was the one that deemed himself as conf town.

[Bins]

Therefore, purely because of setup, I don't think IceGuy and DJ should be anywhere near endgame.

Are you seriously saying the person closest to confirmed town should not be near endgame?

Unless I misread this and he was actually talking about DJ. then idk.

[Formerfish]

Math passing you last night doesn't mean anything at all.

I know that, look at my first paragraph.

And I addressed the Ice situation. I do know how Ice could possibly be scum and I mentioned it.

Ok, you seem to take a lot of comments not meant towards you specifically very personally. Why are you so quick to jump to this statement?

btw Ice was the one that deemed himself as conf town.

Again, I know. That's why he is on my list of people I would be comfortable seeing swing.

I think it's kinda funny that you answer to a lot of what wasn't meant for you, yet the one question I actually ask you doesn't elicit a response.

[Bins]

I think we both worded things a little weird.

Bins, math might be scum, but he passed to me last night.

This made me feel as if you were townreading math based on the fact he based fruit to you, based on the "but."

-

I didn't take it personally at all. Maybe the "you have stuff to learn" type comment, mostly because I had already addressed the situation here:

It's very possible they threw Aronis under the bus to almost confirm Ice as town (in one way or another). That'd be a very good play. That's why I don't think Ice should live to the end. (sry sry if town)

and you were acting like I had missed that so I was just clarifying that I hadn't. I was also just confirming my agreement with your statemtn.

-

I hate people who deem themselves confirmed town.

Vote DJ

I thought this meant you were saying that DJ had said that. My bad.

[Bins]

*passed, not based

sorry I'm very tired

[Bins]

Would you say you get mislynched as town a lot?

What is the point of this question?

whoops sorry I just forgot to address it


neil said he was eh at town (like 5/10) or something. he also mentioned that I may just have a problem with his playstyle. i think that might actually be true, but i'm not convinced yet. if he gets mislynched a lot as town, i may consider meta-ing him but i'm lazy otherwise lol.

[Bins]

[quote="In post 886, Formerfish"
Ok, you seem to take a lot of comments

not meant towards you specifically very personally

. Why are you so quick to jump to this statement?
[/quote]

it's also kind of funny that you say this when you started off that point with this :

One thing you have to learn about this game

is that you never put anything past scum.

[Bins]

whoops

**

Ok, you seem to take a lot of comments

not meant towards you specifically very personally

. Why are you so quick to jump to this statement?

it's also kind of funny that you say this when you started off that point with this :

One thing you have to learn about this game

is that you never put anything past scum.

[don_johnson]

mod: can we get a votecount?

fitz or bins should be working out a fruit passing plan tonight. I have no more fuirt.

I do not know where my fruit came from last night. no one has owned up to it. either xay misread the instructions, or neil gave me fruit. I don't know.

I'm really hung up on the aronis thing. people think I'm scum with aronis, but that doesn't make much sense. why would scum frame themselves? why would aronis sacrifice himself for an nk? if scum is aronis/ice, then why sacrifice aronis? only reasoning I can see there is to eliminate the pairing. but why nk at all? I don't know. my guess is that the final scum is voting already today. that's gonna limit my focus on reread.

[havingfitz]

Assuming neil gave fruit to DJ and that Bins followed through and gave fruit to me (I did receive fruit...assume from Bins)...then that means these people are out of fruit:

• dj
  Neil
  math
  Bins

I think we should lynch from within that group.  1) There was no nk last night so chances favor scum being a passer; 2) Why eliminate anyone remaining who still has fruit.
 
Of these 4...neil is my preferred choice followed by dj and math...who are on equal footing for me.
 
Assuming neil were to be today's lynch....if he's scum...yay!  We win.
 
If he's town...that leaves us with 4 payers with fruit:

• Xayzeck
  havingfitz
  Ice
  Former

 
As for plans with what to do with those fruits...I was going to say it probably didn't matter from here on because scum could probably find a way to sneak in a kill full of WIFOM, but I still think giving fruit away is of some value.  At least if there is a kill tonight and we have 2 or 3 confirmed fruit givings we can potentially clear a few people (which is probably the whole reason no kill was made last night).
 
My suggestions would be (in the case of a neil lynch) the players in bold give to the players unbolded.

• Xayzeck
  
  mathbandit
   
  
  havingfitz
  
  Bins
   
  
  Iceguy
  
  don_johnson

 
And Former does nothing.
 
If DJ happens to get lynched today...he can be replaced by neil in the listing above.  So Ice would give fruit to neil.  In the event of a kill this would clear at least 2 people.
 
VOTE: neil

[Bins]

Former could do what Neil did and pass to one of the passers.

[havingfitz]

True...that would potentially clear more if there's a nk.

So Former would pass to the passer of his choice.

[neil1113]

Fitz, I completely agree with your plan. What confuses me the most, is that out of the 4, myself, Math, DJ, and Bins, you'd pursue one of the arguably most helpful person in that group?

Bins sheeps the hell out of anyone who listens.
DJ has contributed pretty much nothing to this game except for a scum read on Math he received on page 4 of this game...
Math is becoming more and more useless (though that's not necessarily a scum tell)
And I'm actively coming up with ideas, trying to do NK Analysis, VC analysis, theories, testing and trying them, questioning people, active....

It's kinda worrying you'd pursue the most active (contributor not just poster) scum hunter in that group.

Anyways since I do agree with the plan, I'd be more comfortable with a VOTE: Mathbandit death over a Don death right now. I can't see Aronis screwing his partner over like that, killing someone to frame his partner and then going toe-to-toe with Ice. I feel like if Don is scum, it'll be revealed throughout the game. Bins I just think is too trusting right now at Mafia, and so sheeps uncontrollably and doesn't really know how scum-tells work, which is not a scum-tell in and of itself. So Math would be my most comfortable choice of the three.

[Bins]

I'm starting to wonder if you even read the game.

[Bins]

My votes on Siv were "sheeps" (if you say) onto the growing wagon were EVERYONE thought Siv was scum.

Then I voted Ice first out of everyone.

Then I voted Siv cause you told me to. Should I not trust you?

Those are the only votes I've actually made this game. I have no idea what you're going on about.

[don_johnson]

I think neil might be our guy.