X-Men: Age of Apocalypse (Game Over)

[Desperado]

Vote Count 4.2

Feu et Vol (4) - Toogeloo, Cloud Nine, ika, BBMolla
Toogeloo (1) - Feu et Vol

Not Voting (6) - Rogue, My Milked Eek, borkjerfkin, SnowStorm, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Venmar

Feu et Vol, Toogeloo, and SnowStorm have received votes today.

The deadline for Day 4 is Tuesday, August 19th, at 11:59 PM EST. With 11 people alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline in (expired on 2014-08-20 01:59:00).

[Venmar]

Not hailing you as the epitome of town makes me a dick?

I'm going to try a different (nicer!) approach:

If you have a problem with my play, I would like to know what it is.
If you think I'm scum, I would want to know why.
If you think I'm detracting from the gamestate in some other way, I would like to know that too.

I am not a mind reader. Basically all I got from your attitude toward me is "I'm going to ignore what you ask me to do / say about people" for reasons that you don't feel like giving.

Say you're me: how do

you

initially react to that besides to flippantly dismiss you (which is essentially what I did)?

Bork, I just meant that the fact you keep living the nights, and your general play since D2, is making me paranoid of you, if anything it's making me suspect you. It's nothing personal, don't call me a dick for refusing to agree to everything you propose like everyone else, there's probably a reason for me doing it, and you know it too, just cause i haven't stated it till now doesn't mean I didn't have it?

I am reluctant to believe the amnesiac claim on Feu because A) I have a townread on Feu from earlier days, B) I have a bad experience with trusting amnesiac claims, especially since the person it seems to have come from died the night before, C) SnowStorm isn't exactly my shiniest of townreads to trust, and D) I fail to see how any role other than redirector/bus driver could target to people at once.

Like you said and acknowledged, you don't need my vote for the Feu lynch, so go me disagreeing with you shouldn't be a huge problem, so go ahead and ignore me if you want.

[Venmar]

Reading up a bit. BBMolla might be scum.

[Venmar]

Where are the other 3 amnesiac tracks that Peregrine's slot undertook N1, N2, and N3?

[Rogue]

Ika tracked AP to mac and cheese

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Snowstorm

[borkjerfkin]

Thank you for explaining (even if I don't agree with you about my play being anything but super obvtown but that's an ego thing for me and I'm going drop it). I don't want to ignore you - I want to know what you're thinking and why you're thinking it, as I have a townread on you and have had such read pretty much the whole game. I think it's pretty much impossible for you to be red scum as I explained yesterday and blue scum has already flipped in your hood.

I believe snowstorm indeed is the recipient of the track; he's taking a huge risk by claiming it if he isn't.
It's possible he's lying about what he saw, but honestly the thing he claimed [Feu visited two targets] is unnecessarily risky imo for someone who was possibly going to have momentum against him today anyway. I think it is incredibly likely he is telling the truth.

Bus driver Feu could have switched you and ETL and had his scumbuddy shoot at you - this would hit ETL and direct any protection going toward her at you instead, pretty much guaranteeing her death. That's the only conceivable reason I can think of for a bus driver targeting one of the targets as a kill target.

Otherwise, the things about Feu that don't add up to me:

Counterclaim in AP
There has never been any occurrence of deaths in a night that cannot be adequately explained by Blue + Red + AP.
The track.
The fact that I am town and there are zero scum flips in my hood so far in a game that can't have more than two in any hood.

Feu's crumb was good and it's been the only thing holding me back so far (it's also why I went after AP so hard on D2)
but there are so many mitigating factors as to something shady going on w/ Feu that it's irresponsible not to lynch him (at least eventually)

p-edit: N1: ika received "AP went to Mac n Cheese"
N2: ETL received "cloud 9 went nowhere"
N3: SnowStorm received "Feu visited ETL and Venmar"

[borkjerfkin]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Snowstorm

Interesting. Explain the change of heart?

[borkjerfkin]

Add in the fact that being wrong about snowstorm today has double penalties and I'm really really reluctant to test the possibility of a lie in this way.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Snowstorm

Interesting. Explain the change of heart?

Makes more sense for Snowstorm to fake a track result as scum on feu than anything at the moment I think? I donno.

[Venmar]

Cloud 9

- Could care less

Rogue

- Probably Town

My Milked Eek

- Might be scum

Feu et Vol

- I think he's town, but other people point otherwise with the claim, so idk.

borkjerfkin

- Pure paranoia, lowest priority tbh

Toogeloo

- I haven't read into Toog as much as I should have

SnowStorm

- I think he's scum for the Speaker kill, but otherwise, idk, not that much reason to suspect him other than a couple scummy plays.

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

- same thing as toog

BBMolla

- Probably Scum?

Venmar

- Town

ika

- Probably town, not sure.

Ergo, Molla and Eek are my go to votes atm.

[BBmolla]

Bleh. It's just for Feu to be scum, he has to be the last scum. Do we honestly think there is a two man scumteam?

[BBmolla]

So Venmar is scum

[borkjerfkin]

Why can't he be a busdriver who switched ETL and Venmar?

[Venmar]

Ika tracked AP to mac and cheese

Cool. Anyone claim the other two tracks?

[Venmar]

So Venmar is scum

OMGUS to the max.

[borkjerfkin]

Venmar the other tracks are in my post to you

[BBmolla]

Venmar Snowstorm tracked Feu to ETL and you.

Desp confirmed that only last scum can use nightkill and normal action.

So something is fucky.

[Venmar]

Regardless of my reads, Feu is probably the healthiest and best lynch today anyways. If he flips scum, we can trust SnowStorm and have lynched scum. If he flips town, we can hang SnowStorm tomorrow. Either way, I think not lynching Feu is now officially counterproductive?

[BBmolla]

Venmar you have 2 scum, 2 leaning scum, 3 nulls, and 4 town

You're basically claiming scum with that list

[BBmolla]

What if snowstorm is a scum beloved princess

[borkjerfkin]

Venmar you have 2 scum, 2 leaning scum, 3 nulls, and 4 town

You're basically claiming scum with that list

This makes no sense to me

[borkjerfkin]

What if snowstorm is a scum beloved princess

I have never heard of such a thing, but *shrug*

[Venmar]

What can i say, I have little trust in a lot of people? I don't think there has ever been a game where my apathy hasn't formed a bunch of nulls anyways. I have nulls on the 3 people there because I tend to glaze over C9's and SKOT's posts. Toog I actually think I have more of leaning town than null now that I think about it, but I mean, meh.

The interesting thing is, instead of asking me why I spontaneously got a scumread on you, you seem to wait for my read post to OMGUS me?

PEdit: @BBMolla

[My Milked Eek]

bork, feu isn't scum. It's actually impossible if you think about the nightkills of night 1. The only scenario they could be scum is if they nightkilled their own strongman (if blue scum) to gain some town points in a hood and I don't see that happening.