Mini 1601: B_E's Mind Mafia ABANDIFIED

[Riddleton]

Would also be down for a Dybeck wagon after he returns, see if he's got anything useful to say (besides ironically asking for something useful from ABR).

I, too, would like to hear more of dbybeck's and ABR's thoughts.

Leaning town on T S O. Asking the right questions and hunting.

I town read TSO as well. I

would

like him to make a vote though.

[Burning_Earth]

beastcharizard replaces darkcrimson

[beastcharizard]

@Fellow townies, I play at different sites, so I use different terms and play than most of you. Three things you must know about me......

1. My meta is very unique, and many people interpret it as being scum. This leads me to being lynched a lot when playing with new people.
2. I hate playing in slow games. I don't multi quote, and I may put in a fluff post now and then just to stir up conversation. I often will play scum/stupid to stir reactions out of people.
3. I will NOT share my other games. I want my meta to be more flexible and unknown here. If I am asked for my previous games, I will refuse!

Besides that, I am eager to play with you guy's, so let's fuck up some scum!

This is scum and needs to be lynched.

[beastcharizard]

Also, reading thread now but that is for sure scum. Don't know VC so don't want to vote yet.

UNVOTE:

I think my predecessor was voting someone.

[PMysterious]

Okay, I'm here. UNVOTE: Can't think of much else to say.

[beastcharizard]

So here are some reads.

Town: TSO, Riddleton
Scum: Csareo, Ythill

VOTE: Csareo

This needed rope like 8 pages ago.

[Aegor]

@Csareo

: Why did you vote for Riddleton "on policy" while providing justification that he is scummy?

[beastcharizard]

Elias? is town as well.

@Aegor:

Because he is new scum and doesn't know better.

[Ythill]

@beast:

Why do you think I'm scum?

If that post was so scummy, why are you following Csar's lead and voting Riddleton?

The game state, as I said in my post.

What has Riddleton done that warrants jumping off a wagon, right after its target makes a post that is "scummy like whoa"?

Nothing at all. Csareo is still my lead suspect ATM, I'm just not voting him.

[Elias_the_thief]

If that post was so scummy, why are you following Csar's lead and voting Riddleton?

The game state, as I said in my post.

Humor me. Was it the stalled wagon, or general inactivity? Or some other aspect of the game state?

What has Riddleton done that warrants jumping off a wagon, right after its target makes a post that is "scummy like whoa"?

Nothing at all. Csareo is still my lead suspect ATM, I'm just not voting him.

Fair enough.

[beastcharizard]

Because of your posts.

1. You aren't voting Csearo, yet have a scum read on them. I also don't like your interactions with them. You choose some really odd thing to hold on to as well. This two wagon thing I don't even understand at all. Then you say you aren't voting them because of game state. What does that even mean?

I would venture to say you are scum withe Csareo. Yes it is unlikely I am right but still I think it.

2. You are voting Riddleton, one of the main people pushing Csareo. Your initial scum read is on post 7, like what? The 7th post into the game you think you have found scum? Ok, sure that is super likely. Post 15 is not bad logic at all and it is my initial reason for the scum read on Csereo. How you couldn't follow that logic is beyond me because it is straight forward.

It feels like you bussed your buddy, and they back at you, but when you saw the oppurtinity to vote someone else you did it.

[beastcharizard]

No that is not fair enough. That is a horrible reason. We have like 2 weeks and they are content with not voting their TOP scum read.

[Elias_the_thief]

No that is not fair enough. That is a horrible reason. We have like 2 weeks and they are content with not voting their TOP scum read.

This is here I must disagree...two weeks is a long time and there is clearly support for a Csar lynch. Why end the day now, when all the new players have just arrived?

[beastcharizard]

I am not saying end the day, which we wouldn't really lose anything if we did, but rather not voting your top scum read because of "gamestate" which makes no sense is horrible.

[Elias_the_thief]

I can see benefit in following other wagons D1. But I'm also curious as to what in the game state influenced his vote change.

[Ythill]

@beast:

You say you are not in a hurry to end the day but I can't see any other reason to keep our votes on our top suspects. The main purpose of D1 is to create info for later analysis. Tunnel vision and quicklynching help the scum. Vote movement and bandwagoning help the town.

I rarely see stuff like #15 being accurately indicative of alignment, btw. I think Csareo is scum for other reasons.

@Elias:

I'm not going into detail right now. It may help your understanding if you look at my meta, specifically VC analysis.

[Ythill]

Going through my notes and adjusting reads again. Ironically, Riddle is redeeming himself a bit. Still voting him though, let the shitstorm begin.

Leaning town on Elias. ABR got dropped from the town lean list because the noise overwhelmed his weak signal.

[beastcharizard]

You know what doesn't help the scum? Lynching them. Also why do you care if your largest scum read is lynched at any time? What info actually comes out of D1 besides a flip that can be used later in the game? Maybe associatives but not really.

But in the spirit of things:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ythill

Not elaborating about the game state helps town how?

[Aegor]

Who would help me with an ABR wagon?

[Ythill]

IMO, it would help us if lone voters picked a wagon or consolidated. People who are not voting should start playing the game.

@beast:

If you want me to teach you how to play mafia, ask outside the game thread. If the scum haven't figured out the aspects of play that make particular game states fruitful for particular information, then I'm not tipping them off until it's no longer relevant. If you think game state is a scummy reason to vote, I'm fine with you voting me.

@Aegor:

I don't see that being productive ATM. Maybe later.

[beastcharizard]

I just want to know what the game state is that makes you want to vote they way you are voting. I play pretty damn well.

[Elias_the_thief]

IMO, it would help us if lone voters picked a wagon or consolidated. People who are not voting should start playing the game.

@beast:

If you want me to teach you how to play mafia, ask outside the game thread. If the scum haven't figured out the aspects of play that make particular game states fruitful for particular information, then I'm not tipping them off until it's no longer relevant. If you think game state is a scummy reason to vote, I'm fine with you voting me.

I feel pretty strongly that withholding info leads to bad and not good, and your reluctance to give a straight answer here smells more scum without a good answer than it does town trying not to tip his hand. Even if its the latter, why not spill the beans and get everybody on board with your wagon of choice? Because, I gotta say, a vague assertion that townies should jump on isn't very convincing. I'd like to know what you saw in the "game state" that told you "a few other townies" should sheep kid.

VOTE: Ythill

[Aegor]

I feel like Ythill is getting voted for what is clearly playstyle.

[hephaestus]

This two wagon thing I don't even understand at all.

C is deliberately lying about this, it's definitely reason to suspect him.

[hephaestus]

Rereading as soon as my PC is back from the PC fixing place