NY175: Sycamore Scuffle


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Post Post #2700 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:54 am

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In post 2694, TheAdrienC wrote:
In post 2690, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2668, TheAdrienC wrote:
If I had claimed I was a commuter just now, I could see you saying "Oh maybe he's a roleblocker". But I claimed it day one so I have to have "winning the lottery luck" to fakeclaim it as a roleblocker and block you from killing me. How would I know you were killing me when you gave no indication of targeting me? How would I know you were a vig? Keep in mind, my first reaction when I saw that post of your old targets was a scum slip and I immediately voted for you, meaning I had no indication you were a vig.


Rephrase this.


How likely is it that I set up an Odd Night Commuter fakeclaim on Day One to have it confirmed on Night 6 by just so happening to roleblock the Odd Night Vigilante on Night Five? Occum's Razor, Wake. What's the most reasonable explanation that someone who claimed to be untargetable on Odd Nights survive an Odd Night Vig attempt? I had no idea you were a vig, I had no idea you were targeting me, so even if I was a roleblocker, why would I target you for a roleblock? Scum would probably want the vig to take out another townie, right?

The reason you couldn't kill me was because I vacated the premises. You practically confirmed that. If there was a way to safely do this, I'd say go ahead and make a kill this night phase without tell me if it will be me or someone else. If you try to kill me, it will fail. If you try to kill someone else, it will succeed. 100% of the time. I don't have an active role. I have a blue little P on my role PM where it says I am gone for the night.

And if there is a roleblocker, there is a chance that person is someone else, not necessarily the person you targeted. Personally, with all these roles the town has, I'm seriously thinking there's something to help the scum find PRs like a rolecop.

As for why I'm alive this far into the game, they probably wanted me alive with Juls since it would be possible to lynch me and they probably didn't want to kill last night me to confirm you.


I failed to kill you on Day 5.

However, before , Night 5, I crumbed doggedly being the ON-Vig in posts , , , , , , , , and on.

As Scum Roleblocker, it would be easy for you to deduce I was the ON-Vig, and roleblock me while killing others, because you had not one but
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abilities to use at your disposal. Toomai said it's possible a Scum role can use a personal ability AND a NK in the same Night. How common is Mafia Roleblocker as a personal ability in a Large Normal, especially when a Godfather and two Goons are dead?
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Post Post #2701 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:00 am

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No, you failed to kill me Night 5. You are ignoring Occum's Razor.
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Post Post #2702 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:08 am

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Boonskiies, shaddowez, Burning_Town, please vote for AdrienC.
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Post Post #2703 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:43 am

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In post 2694, TheAdrienC wrote:I had no idea you were a vig, I had no idea you were targeting me, so even if I was a roleblocker, why would I target you for a roleblock? Scum would probably want the vig to take out another townie, right?


Wake claimed that Alina and Cabd were his on Day 5. That was the same day that Aero got lynched and got taken out as an SK. He'd been crumbing he was an ON-Vig for quite a while. As scum, you would know who you targeted, and if either of N1 or N3's missing kills were scum targets, you knew there was a vig out there. I have absolutely no question you had reason to RB Wake on N5 if you have the ability. With only one of you left, taking out townies does work in your advantage for numbers, but also gives more insight for town to figure out who is scum.

I said I would last night, and haven't been given reason not to, so
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Post Post #2704 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:46 am

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In post 2686, Wake1 wrote:...shaddowez did accuse me of being the Serial Killer, and tried to achieve my lynch.


I accused you of being scum, never accused you of being the SK. As a matter of fact, I had you as either null or a town read the entire game up until yesterDay.
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Post Post #2705 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:03 pm

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VOTE: Shaddowez
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Post Post #2706 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:04 pm

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Shadowez's vote screams opportunistic.
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Post Post #2707 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:07 pm

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If Burning_Town goes ahead and votes Adrien, he's scum.
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Post Post #2708 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:09 pm

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You don't think this whole thing was a clever reaction test by Wake like Day One, is it?
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Post Post #2709 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:15 pm

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Everything Wake does is a reaction test.
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Post Post #2710 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:21 pm

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How does my vote scream opportunistic when I outright said last night I was going to vote for you?

In post 2656, shaddowez wrote:Unless someone can convince me otherwise, (or the Day is over by the time I get on), I will be voting for Adrien tomorrow night.
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Post Post #2711 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:21 pm

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Maybe. I'm not gonna hammer Shadowez just yet. We need more info from BT.
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Post Post #2712 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:26 pm

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In post 2705, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Shaddowez

Care to explain this sudden switch some?
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Post Post #2713 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:52 pm

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Not really.
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Post Post #2714 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:06 pm

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So you're voting for town and being incredibly unhelpful all at the same time? Wonderful!
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Post Post #2715 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:15 pm

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we don't know you're town.
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Post Post #2716 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:15 pm

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I'm going to end up as the person to make the decision anyways. =/ It's going to be annoying.
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Post Post #2717 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:32 pm

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Gah...he's annoying me. Consider this intent to hammer.
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Post Post #2718 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:36 pm

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Boon - since you're pretty much conftown (At least crumbed), why don't you think you'll be killed tonight like Juls predicted?
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Post Post #2719 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:36 pm

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In post 2717, TheAdrienC wrote:Gah...he's annoying me. Consider this intent to hammer.


Of course I am, I'm voting for you.
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Post Post #2720 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:52 pm

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I don't think I'll be killed because people think they can manipulate me easier than others.
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Post Post #2721 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:52 pm

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And they'll use that to their advantage.
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Post Post #2722 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:23 pm

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There's one thing that's stopping me from hammering, and that's the possibility BurningTown is scum. I mean, here are the scenarios:

1) I hammer Shaddowez, he's scum, we win.

2) Hammer, he flips town, Wake wastes his kill on me, scum should kill Boon if they are smart and want this last thing to happen, Wake votes me claiming his killed failed because I roleblocked him, BT quickhammers, we lose.

3) BT comes online and quick hammers, I flip town, Wake kills one of them two and the other one is scum, game over.

4) Same as above but Wake kills the right one, we win.

5) Shaddowez flips town and Wake does the right thing and kills Burning Town, we win.
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Post Post #2723 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:36 pm

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VOTE: Adrien

If Adrien flips town:

Wake, kill shadow or burning.

Shadow/Burning - if I die, lynch Wake.
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Post Post #2724 (ISO) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:37 pm

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I can't handle the possibility of me being alone with Adrien/Wake tomorrow.
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