Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Guyett]

Is that all of your case?

[evilpacman18]

I told you so.

[evilpacman18]

ok now that that's out of the way, there's some actual work in order here.

[evilpacman18]

mafia traitors know who the mafia are always in normal games right?

mod?

[BipolarChemist]

Please refer to the wiki for questions like that.

[Aneninen]

I'll start catching up tomorrow.
It will take some time anyway: I was checking the thread during my vacation every now and then – and my two main suspects are dead now.

[Cheery Dog]

Is that all of your case?

That's all I feel is needed here.

[evilpacman18]

Please refer to the wiki for questions like that.

The Traitor may or may not know who is in the Mafia to begin with.

This is unclear, so does that mean you won't say?

[Guyett]

I've played with a traitor before and the mafia didnt know who the traitor was but the traitor knew the mafia.
it was the nati is on parole game

[evilpacman18]

Yes and I know that is usually the case but I am trying to have the mod confirm that it IS the case in this game, which he should be able to do, I think, since it's normal.

[Cheery Dog]

Yes and I know that is usually the case but I am trying to have the mod confirm that it IS the case in this game, which he should be able to do, I think, since it's normal.

I would say the fact Konowa claimed miller was to indicate to the other mafia he was their traitor. This probably means that he knew the mafia and they didn't know him.

[Cheery Dog]

Also the reasoning used to lynch Konowa was do to with VCA.

[Guyett]

Yes and I know that is usually the case but I am trying to have the mod confirm that it IS the case in this game, which he should be able to do, I think, since it's normal.

I would say the fact Konowa claimed miller was to indicate to the other mafia he was their traitor. This probably means that he knew the mafia and they didn't know him.

That makes sense. I'll have a look at his posts and see what interactions he had with Chevre and if he had any other similar interactions with other players.

[Guyett]

Cheery whats your plan if sthar flips town? We'd be in lylo in that case.

I'm getting super paranoid about epm having read konowa and chevres early posts.

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery whats your plan if sthar flips town? We'd be in lylo in that case.

I'm getting super paranoid about epm having read konowa and chevres early posts.

Why should I start planning in advance? It's probably lynch you though

Aneninen can now be cleared by Chao's tracker result, unless you what to believe he's got at least one ninja shot.
Konowa flipped scum, and as I said yesterday, I can now call him a town-counter wagon to Cherve.

There isn't really that much else to choose from.

[sthar8]

I'll catch up tonight.

[evilpacman18]

Is that all of your case?

So another important setup spec question is whether there's one or two scum left. One left seems scum light unless they have some sort of strongman, and two left seems scum heavy, even if they're all goons.

[Guyett]

Cheery whats your plan if sthar flips town? We'd be in lylo in that case.

I'm getting super paranoid about epm having read konowa and chevres early posts.

Why should I start planning in advance? It's probably lynch you though

Aneninen can now be cleared by Chao's tracker result, unless you what to believe he's got at least one ninja shot.
Konowa flipped scum, and as I said yesterday, I can now call him a town-counter wagon to Cherve.

There isn't really that much else to choose from.

Yeah Anen is 99% clear for me. Ninja isn't in the normal roles list but BPC could have put one in as his one none explicitly normal one (I put Desperado in my first normal)

[Aneninen]

I think, first of all, we should examine three things.

(1) Who derailed the Konowa wagon on Day 3? (I posted my intent to hammer and after that the wagon started to get empty.)

(2) Who pushed the Riddleton wagon? (I know we were out of time but still...)

(3) Who was on the Konowa wagon (when the lynch was achieved)?

So.
My answers are:
(1) Two players jumped of quickly: Bert and CheeryDog. (Bert voted for Broodking, CheeryDog for me next.) Bert is dead, he was indeed a Bodyguard.
(2) Konowa, Chaoslord, Aneninen, CheeryDog and Bert were on the Riddleton wagon. Chaos and Riddleton are dead, both of them flipped town PR. Konowa is dead, he flipped scum.
(3) CheeryDog and Aneninen were not on the Konowa wagon. (And Konowa himself, of course.) Aneninen was V/LA.


Conclusion. It's lucky that it seems that you believe my VT claim right now because according to this logic I'm almost as suspicious as CheeryDog who is an "answer" for three questions. I'm answer for two questions, (2) and (3) if some of you think that my vacation was fake (it wasn't fake anyway).

So, according to this, CheeryDog is scum. Who has a caveat?
Unfortunately, I have. He (more precisely: Boonskiies) was constantly on the Chevre wagon. Also, CheeryDog wasn't on the Misaka wagon.

Everyone: what are your opinion? As soon as I have some time I'll examine others too.

By the way, I think the setup is clear now. Town: Jailkeeper, Tracker, Bodyguard. Scum: Traitor and Rolecop – Konowa's flip confirms my hypothesis about the latter one. At least, this setup seems to be balanced for me.

[sthar8]

Anen it's likely the scum did not know konowa was on their team.

[Aneninen]

Not even after the Miller claim?

[sthar8]

even after the miller claim. I'd give that particular ploy about a 50-50 chance of success.

It's good to consider, but don't bet the farm on it.

[Guyett]

I really don't think sthar is scum tbh. Anen highly unlikely to be scum too given the tracker result. from my point of view its either Cheery or EPM

[sthar8]

Hmmm.

Anen is p much confirmed.

I was a little paranoid about Guy but I reread him and he's very town.

I want to lynch EPM, but that's probably mostly confirmation bias.

I think cheery's the play today.

p-edit hi guy. itys about epm being a counterwagon, but I think his setup spec has been p town.

[Cheery Dog]

(1) Two players jumped of quickly: Bert and CheeryDog. (Bert voted for Broodking, CheeryDog for me next.) Bert is dead, he was indeed a Bodyguard.
(2) Konowa, Chaoslord, Aneninen, CheeryDog and Bert were on the Riddleton wagon. Chaos and Riddleton are dead, both of them flipped town PR. Konowa is dead, he flipped scum.
(3) CheeryDog and Aneninen were not on the Konowa wagon. (And Konowa himself, of course.) Aneninen was V/LA.

I was never on the Konowa wagon, I can't have jumped off it.

Please actually do some proper vca if you're bothering, there's just words here that still mean nothing, such as my position off the misaka wagon. (especially when both of the wagons have me in the same position as not having voted anyone.