NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[farside22]

As far as I see jiff he has not posted online since Thursday.
Curious to know if tree has played mafia before this site or is an alt.

[farside22]

I sad

Sorry.
I'm a bit harsh when people think that gameplay was super secrete info.
The mod really should not have given info to one player and not everyone.

[gameplay506]

Titus!!!!

[tn5421]

Why is texcat a town read ?

He's not a townread

But the vote on him just felt really strange

It was reachy as fuck

The fuck is this, mahjong?

You keep saying your voting me because of "my interactions" which you didn't like, but what exactly didn't you like about them? Just saying "I didn't like the interactions" doesn't give information to help anybody.

I think Elyse said it better than I could.

No. You said you would be down for a tree lynch and then changed your mind 10 posts later because you said people like reinoe hopped on for bad reasons. Then I pointed out you said that before reinoe hopped on, so you said it was because you didn't like how Majiffy was pushing him. Then I pointed out Majiffy only said "now vote tree" in between those posts and you now say "yeah, that and the like" and there are no other posts in between that can constitute as "the like".

And? I'm talking about two specific posts not even a page apart with drastically different opinions and no reasons to back them up.

And I'm not scumreading you because it's "convenient". It's because you can't explain your actions and become aggressive when pressured for no reason other than you're being a dick and trying to make me out like the bad guy.

So to be clear, you're just latching onto her argument instead of giving your actual opinion?

Indeed, the least you (texcat) could do is at least state the reasons in your own words, even if its a rehash of the same old thing.

In addition, there was your first read of TN as town which you couldn't explain when Majiffy questioned you about it. I think whiffling, as Majiffy calls it, is not good.

In the conversation with Elyse, you continued asking her for her reads even after she had told you. You seemed to be trying to divert her attention off of you.

Lol, that wasn't Majiffy. That was Mirhawk.

Shows how much you've actually been paying attention.

But yeah, I believe in latching onto good arguments.

It seems to me like you're just skimming the game and latching on to the first thing you see. You didn't even say I was scummy yourself. You actually had to quote someone else's reasons because you don't have any of your own.

VOTE: Tex

As far as I'm concerned, Oka is still scum, but at least he's trying to explain his flawed reasoning. You're just sheeping up the wazoo.

The lower the effort, the stronger the scumread?

Not always accurate, but it makes sense in this context.

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

[Wake1]

Vote Count 1.5

Tree (5):

Majiffy, notscience, tn5421, reinoe, OkaPoka

OkaPoka (4):

, Gameplay506, Alina,

Aeronaut (3):

Shaddowez, Elyse, texcat

Majiffy (3):

Tree, Psyche, mirhawk

texcat (2):

Farside22, Aeronaut

Elyse (1):

Josh_B

reinoe (1):

T S O

tn5421 (1):

PeregrineV

Not Voting (3):

Titus, Aegor. RoyalApe

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!
~ Deadline expires 9/3/14, @8am central.

OP | Game Rules | Day Start
1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 1.5 | 1.6 | 1.7 | 1.8 | 1.9 | 1.10 | 1.11 | 1.12 | 1.13 | 1.14 | 1.15 | 1.16 | 1.17 | 1.18 | 1.19
Aegor's Lynch & Flip
Elyse and T S O's Murders & Flips
2.1 | 2.2 | 2.3 | 2.4
Aeronaut's Lynch & Flip
Texcat and Josh_B's Murders & Flips
3.1 | 3.2 | 3.3 | 3.4 | 3.5 | 3.6 | 3.7 | 3.8 | 3.9
tn5421's Lynch & Flip
Titus's Murder & Flip
4.1 | 4.2 | 4.3
OkaPoka's Lynch & Flip
Majiffy and Mirhawk's Murders & Flips
5.1 | 5.2 | 5.3 | 5.4 | 5.5
PeregrineV's Lynch & Flip
Gameplay506 and notsciences' Murders & Flips
6.1 | 6.2 | 6.3

[gameplay506]

Ye really Titus what took you so long to post?

[Majiffy]

Who chainsaw defended him?
What's your thought on tex?
I agree with your last 2 but has he been around to post?

Give me a sec.

Psyche and to a lesser extent Aero; have you not been reading?
I don't have a read on tex yet.

He's made posts. Not anything notable, but I noted that he posted.

[Psyche]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

[farside22]

Mod: note v/la

[Majiffy]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

Faulty premises. The fakeclaim ploys aren't the scumread, the play after is.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

Lots of posturing.

This

is your idea of a case?

[Majiffy]

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

I have no idea what the fuck

any

of this is. Or what Titus' whole "I am the light" post was about. I imagine that probably goes for everyone else who is ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and explain since you seem to grok it enough to have a problem with it?

[notscience]

Hey Majiffy

can we chat

[Majiffy]

Quote got screwed up in 709 somehow.

[Majiffy]

Always sweetie. What about?

[notscience]

Farside/Oka.

[notscience]

I didn't like the vote from farside on tex nor did I like the readslist she gave shortly after.

Oka I just feel ike is playing peanut gallery but at the same time just kinda flitting around not really doing anything

[tn5421]

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

I have no idea what the fuck

any

of this is. Or what Titus' whole "I am the light" post was about. I imagine that probably goes for everyone else who is ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and explain since you seem to grok it enough to have a problem with it?

Titus wanted to observe us to

gain reads without being required to give any information out in return

. In essence, getting something for nothing.

Titus has a fair idea of where we all stand on the current issues and yet we know NOTHING of Titus's reads on us.

If you can't see the problem with this then we might have a bigger problem on our hands.

[reinoe]

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

I have no idea what the fuck

any

of this is. Or what Titus' whole "I am the light" post was about. I imagine that probably goes for everyone else who is ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and explain since you seem to grok it enough to have a problem with it?

Titus wanted to observe us to

gain reads without being required to give any information out in return

. In essence, getting something for nothing.

Titus has a fair idea of where we all stand on the current issues and yet we know NOTHING of Titus's reads on us.

If you can't see the problem with this then we might have a bigger problem on our hands.

And if she's a vig who doesn't want to tip off whom she's going to kill?

[Majiffy]

I didn't like the vote from farside on tex nor did I like the readslist she gave shortly after.

Oka I just feel ike is playing peanut gallery but at the same time just kinda flitting around not really doing anything

I'm not keen on the vote on tex but probably for different reasons.

Which reminds me.

Farside why do you continue to ignore addressing my statement regarding tex/tree?

Oka is most definitely doing that.

Titus wanted to observe us to

gain reads without being required to give any information out in return

. In essence, getting something for nothing.

Titus has a fair idea of where we all stand on the current issues and yet we know NOTHING of Titus's reads on us.

If you can't see the problem with this then we might have a bigger problem on our hands.

I don't have an issue with Titus trying out a new playstyle.

There's nothing inherently scummy about playing your cards close to your chest.

[notscience]

And I feel like tn is chasing butterflies but town

pedit-

Yeah he's doing that and I think it's scummy the way he's doing it

Namely his focus on if something is bs or not without highlighting why someone would bs (x) for reason (y)

[Majiffy]

I'd rather let it gestate and see what it turns into.

Today's lynch needs to be in {Aero, Psyche, Tree}. Probably tomorrow's lynch, too.

[notscience]

meh

I have tree as a vi read

I don't remember my last game with psyche

and I could be persuaded for aero

[Majiffy]

Run down my argument for treescum and explain why it isn't scum.

[Aeronaut]

meh

I have tree as a vi read

I don't remember my last game with psyche

and I could be persuaded for aero

You could be persuaded for anyone at this point.


Majiffy continues to give shitty reasoning or no reasoning at all for his scumreads. It's adorable.

[notscience]

Let me run you down the two scenarios;

1) Town Tree
Gambits IC.
Garners no reactions, until a reasonless vote.
OMGUSes.
Gambit revealed as fake.
Decides to gambit again, despite first yielding admittedly no useful responses.

Motivation for second gambit: ???


2) Scum Tree
Gambits IC
Regardless of actual reactions, can either;
a) Use the gambit in and of itself to push self-as-town
b) Use any reactions to garner falsified reads that he can use as a leg to stand on for "scumhunting"
Garners 1 vote and no other negative reactions.
OMGUSes
Gambit revealed as false
Gambits again, because there wasn't major blowback.

Motivation: Risk-Benefit is in his favor for the second gambit as scum.

this?

Also @Aero

Not really. I'm not voting Majiffy any time soon. I'm not voting Elyse any time soon. I'm not voting TN any time soon. Probably not voting Alina any time soon. Not voting psyche any time soon. Not voting gameplay.

But yeah, I could be persuaded to vote anyone.

You're right.