NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[tree]

WHAT ARE YOU

we can kill this later

[Psyche]

No psyche it's okay let then chain lynches

In fact let them chain lynch you for whiteknighting me

I mean we both -know- the other is town

But we'll be much happier dead and laughing at the town

you have no idea how much i want to flake

[tree]

No I really like you you're fun to talk to

Please don't

On a general note I'll be more active in like 12 hours

[reinoe]

No psyche it's okay let then chain lynches

In fact let them chain lynch you for whiteknighting me

I mean we both -know- the other is town

But we'll be much happier dead and laughing at the town

you have no idea how much i want to flake

Is that because your scumteam is imploded in spectacular fashion?

[tn5421]

Like I said I fought for pages with him.
He truely see's nothing wrong with what he says.

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

everyone else is an idiot then

bye I'm gone to church

Because an ad hominem is going to make me move my vote.

but how else did majiffy get anyone to submit to his insanity!?

unless you're the real scum here pushing on a shitty "scumtell"!!!

omgus level reasoning

[Titus]

VOTE: Oka

Come out and play.

[tree]

ha

ok

just because you're confident your shit is gold doesn't mean it still doesn't reek

[Aeronaut]

Tree, what are you even talking about?

[Majiffy]

majiffy discussing f62 outside of f62 is against site rules

FFFFFFFFFFFlol

Hey who want's to see a half-done reads list that is no longer sensicle?

What I'd really like is for you to start spelling sensical properly or stop using it at all.

VOTE: Oka

Come out and play.

What in the world are you even doing?

Tree is today's lynch.

[Aeronaut]

So... I sort of started this reads list a few hours ago. It basically gives my two cents on why Tree is probably town and why everyone else voting for him is a doofus.

Spoiler: Except about halfway through this happened:

Like I said I fought for pages with him.
He truely see's nothing wrong with what he says.

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

everyone else is an idiot then

bye I'm gone to church

VOTE: tn

I explained.

but you're right, ZORMG GUYS NAKED VOTE MUST BE SCUM EVEN HARDER

Oh no!

What just!?

Soooooo..... I'm just going to give you the version before those god-awful posts. I guess this whole list is still relevant because the people on the wagon still made their votes before Tree came back and continued being a doofus. My reads stay the same.

I really don't know what Tree is anymore, but I'm sort of done defending that shit. I don't see a scum motivation, I don't see a town motivation. If you want to lynch him because he's a VI, be my guest.

--------------Reads List Pre-Tree-Inturruption-Of-2014--------------------

Is Me So Therefore Confirmed Town

(Nobody but me)

Leaning Town

Mirhawk
Aegor
gameplay506
Josh_B
tree (slight newbtown)

Null

Titus
Psyche
farside22
Alina
PeregrineV
T S O
Shaddowez
RoyalApe

Leaning Scum

Majiffy
tn5421
Elyse
Reinoe

Lynch Pool

notscience
OkaPoka
Texcat

=============== Town Lean ==================

I'll start from the top and work my way down. If you have questions on my reads, I'm glad to answer. Obviously nobody is "confirmed town".

Mirhawk

started off pretty lurky, but has given some good points on Oka Poka and Majiffy. He is also listening to logic quite a bit more than the rest of us, when he changed his vote because Psyche had given him some actual good points. This struck me as really townie to me, because he's listening to the town instead of having his own agenda.

I liked

Aegor

's intro post (not the one where he said he forgot the game was existant, the other one where he gave reads). He calls Tex on his BS non-reason vote, and correctly questions the stupid tree wagon. He hasn't interacted a lot besides that, but what he has done has seemed pretty townie to me.

Gameplay

's setup speculation / "Bannable info" was a bit unnecessary. However, I really liked his response to everyone deciding he should be lynched. He is leaning town for now.

Josh_B

hasn't actually talked much, but he's striking me as towny when he does talk.

Psyche

started off extremely not helpful, with distractions and the such. However, he has lately come to his senses and is one of the people questioning the tree votes. I'll talk about my exact thoughts about the tree wagon below.

Tree

, everybody, is not scum. People who are lynching him because he's a VI, then if that's the way you vote, I guess that's how you vote. I don't agree with it at all, and I don't think we should be lynching him. However, it's those that claim that your voting him because he's scum that I'm interested in. Let's take a look.

Spoiler: These are the posts in question, correct?

This game is getting nowhere.

Claim: Innocent Child

Bow down bitches, bow, bow down bitches.

This post was pretty obviously a joke. I don't know how you guys see that. Even if it wasn't, what's the scum motivation for doing something like that? An Innocent Child is supposed to be confirmed at the start of the game by the mod, and that obviously didn't happen. What would scum tree gain from claiming something that we already know isn't true?

VOTE: Tree

Just because you're cool enough to vote the IC doesn't mean you're not scum.

VOTE: Majiffy

Again, this is a joke. Not a very good one at this point, but still just him being idiotic.

Of course I'm not an IC, just look at the last votecount. I claimed IC to see what people did with it and I think Majiffy voting me is an attempt to look like town who doesn't care. Most people ignored it which didn't do much. Also I thought alts weren't allowed in Normal games?

At least the ball is finally rolling!

Kill: Majiffy

This is, once again, a "PR claim" that is easily and obviously disproved when Majiffy was still fucking alive. Why would scum tree out himself like that and make a claim that we all would figure out was fake immediately? He wouldn't.

Basically, I honestly think those were tree's attempts at reaction tests. As shitty as they were, they showed us how easily scum would jump onto him to try to get to N1 faster. He's not scum, and the people using this as a reasoning for why he is are spewing out bullshit.
Tree is leaning newbtown for me.

=============== Null ==================

Null. These are in no particular order. Half of these people are lurkers and the other half are people whose alignments I can't really figure out yet.

Titus

is an example of this. He obviously has not been present most of the game, and hasn't said much since he's got here. Null.

Psyche

was providing a hell of a lot of apathy in the beginning of this game, but he's slowly come out of the shadows lately and is using some real logic.

Farside

's push on NS and Majiffy's crappy wagon earned her some town points, but she hasn't much else this game.

Alina

has been extremely quiet. I usually agree with what she's saying this game, but something seems... offish. She's also lurking with is unusual for her, but when she is present I generally agree with what she's saying.

Perv

and

TSO

.... I sort of forgot they were in the game, to be honest.

TSO

hasn't said much since his wagon ended, and Perv just hasn't said much in general. Same with

Shadowwes

and

RoyalApe

.

============ Scum Lean ==================

Reinoe

is ... I don't even know what he is. Drunk is what he is... or was. He started out this game all Village Idiotic, but suddenly he's up and at 'em, suddenly ready to lynch scum. What the hell? Did he come into this game having decided to play up the VI card, but then when he realized that it wouldn't work, switched over to down-to-business Reinoe? It reminds me of his scumgame in NY175, honestly.

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I ragequite here because of a mentally challenged Sudowoodo. Sigh... I'll finish tomorrow I guess.

[tree]

tn, I found it funny that majiffy can call swaths of people morons and you vote with him, yet you're so strongly opposed to me saying "idiot".

I found it not only very funny, but also very insincere. Consider me not sympathetic.

[tn5421]

That's a damn shame, I was looking forward to see why you think I'm scummy.

[Majiffy]

Still barking up that "there's no scum motivation to the gambit!" tree, huh Aero?

[Aeronaut]

Still barking up that "there's no scum motivation to the gambit!" tree, huh Aero?

There's not. Who gambits D1 with no votes on them?

[Majiffy]

Jesus Christ I have already had and won this argument why don't you go reread.

[tn5421]

Reinoe and Tree do, Aero.

[tree]

Well then tn, if you're just going to ignore the post just above yours, I suppose we are then at an impasse.

You've achieved your goal; nothing substantive is getting done because as long as you're able to get people to ignore my posts and say "see!? no reasoning," your mislynch is still secured.

Good day.

[Majiffy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6136937

There you go. Start there Aero.

[Majiffy]

Well then tn, if you're just going to ignore the post just above yours, I suppose we are then at an impasse.

You've achieved your goal; nothing substantive is getting done because as long as you're able to get people to ignore my posts and say "see!? no reasoning," your mislynch is still secured.

Good day.

Are you fully caught up?

[OkaPoka]

FINALLY AFTER 10 DAYS I NO LONGER HAVE TO POST ON MOBILE!!!!!!!!!

[notscience]

Fucking marquis

Anyways.

Why are you questioning the scum majiffy.

[Titus]

Jesus Christ I have already had and won this argument why don't you go reread.

The argument is not won until Tree is lynched. I'm actually in agreement with Aeronaut on Tree's behavior so far. Seems noob town.

[notscience]

Majiffy

can't you read

Scum want to WK him

So let them do that

and help me provide to the blood gods

[reinoe]

Jesus Christ I have already had and won this argument why don't you go reread.

The argument is not won until Tree is lynched. I'm actually in agreement with Aeronaut on Tree's behavior so far. Seems noob town.

Hey Titus, what I'm seeing is the newbscum behavior from Mini-Normal 1579.

Making accusations that can't be backed up...
trying to lurk away suspicion...
giving responses that continually don't make any sense...

[reinoe]

tree...

is English not your primary language?