NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Majiffy]

Jesus Christ I have already had and won this argument why don't you go reread.

The argument is not won until Tree is lynched. I'm actually in agreement with Aeronaut on Tree's behavior so far. Seems noob town.

Then you should go re-read my argument with TSO where I shoot down any plausible town motivation and show plausible scum motivation for his play RE: double gambit.

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

And me.

Yeah, but you're not even remotely close to a viable presence in this game.

What have you done?

And farside thinking texcat and tree are scumbuddies and yet not voting tree....ookay....

RIGHT?!

Suddenly gigantic reads list! I don't really have any major objections to any of these reads

Considering you have been posting things that would infer similar reads to my own, and these reads are close to the polar opposite, I'm left scratching my head at this.

Probably because Jiffy isn't saying anything about it.

Why would I complain about getting my way?

It seems that an IC fakeclaim was scummy, but an IC fakeclaim + a fake dayvig is scum pretending to be town pretending to do reactions tests.
Or, there is no town motivation for a second "gambit".

Or Something. It's evolved.

See this is where everyone gets it wrong.

That was entirely my argument against TSO's "no the gambit was sooooo town".

The scumread is about his play

after

the gambits. But people keep insisting the gambits only have town motivation, and no scum motivation.

I dont like how tree just came in the thread, talked shit, did shit and left. Right now I dont like him.

You mean like I said he's been doing?

Because he can't defend himself and needs to let Psychescum defend him?

Yeahhh.

You should vote Tree.

I feel like everyone is in the pool playing Marco Polo and you're that asshole who's shouting polo from the chair on the side.

Fucking lol

[Elyse]

Reponses:

Why the fuck are our reads so close

this is fucking weird

Amazing !!!

Elyse : why is oka and Titus a scum read. Why is pyche 'a unvote yucky?

Oka is a scumread for basically what notscience said. He said it best himself:

Role pm reads scum

You're more focused on who is bsing than why they are bsing

(Scum try to push lynches based on who is lying, town needs to not only figure out if someone is lying but why)

And his gameplay push was horrible and he's really aggressive for no real reason as Aeronaut stated before.
Titus' reads list was horrible and she's a player I have a lot of experience with. Usually I get a good feeling of her alignment within a few posts and she's given me a strong scumvibe. Her lurking/being The Light has nothing to do with my scumread on her and if people are scumreading her for that then they're wrong. It's completely due to her shitty reads and tone.

@Josh, Reinoe, Titus, TSO, & Elyse.
Is it just me or is notsci doing the same thing reinoe was doing to titus in mini 1579?

Ehhhh. I see what you're saying but I think notty is town. I don't agree with what he's doing and would much rather him push Aero or Titus like he wants but this isn't really strange for him.

Wait is that it. I feel like I'm missing stuff. Let me know if I missed anything.

Oh wait Alina wanted me to say something about Aegor.

I think his texcat vote was bad and he hasn't given reasons for his townreads. Then he just had a few snarky comments. He's barely a scumread because we could just disagree on a lot but I dunno I just don't really like the few posts he has.

Also could you (Alina) give a reads list? As Majiffy said I thought your reads were closer to mine but then when you said you don't have any major objections (besides his leaning-scumread-that's-no-longer-a-scumread-read on me) to Aeronaut's list, I got confused.

[Majiffy]

Also could you

(Alina)

give a reads list? As Majiffy said I thought your reads were closer to mine but then when you said you don't have any major objections (besides his leaning-scumread-that's-no-longer-a-scumread-read on me) to Aeronaut's list, I got confused.

Just so she doesn't miss it.

[T S O]

@Josh, Reinoe, Titus, TSO, & Elyse.
Is it just me or is notsci doing the same thing reinoe was doing to titus in mini 1579?

Ehhhh. I see what you're saying but I think notty is town. I don't agree with what he's doing and would much rather him push Aero or Titus like he wants but this isn't really strange for him.

He does this kind of thing. I don't really approve of it, at all, but he does it.

[Titus]

Elyse, why are you blantantly appealing to authority (claiming yourself as an expert on me) when the latest game you and I were both wrong on each other?

Yes my "reads" sucked. They were things I observed, which if you count those as strong reads I feel sorry for you. I won't have "decent" reads until I read the yhread.

[OkaPoka]

I was aggressive in a push because I thought gameplay was full of bs and wanted to lynch him. I felt he was scum and he played all secretly for no reason when he could've brought nothing up and make us not post pages about nothin.

[farside22]

Tex seems newbtownish. Not seeing much coming from scum.
Gave my reasons for Oka.
Also move Psyche to the more leaning town list. I thought he was uncontributive and dint like his unvote much but after re-reading I seem to get the logic behind that.
You farside on the other side don't seem to do much. I especially didn't like how you argued with Majiffy that his reads are bad and such. I just dont see what this can help us with at all.
Notscience is really bad. Almost 0 game content posts. And as someone pointed out, why is he sheeping Majiffy if he wants Titus dead? Just no town motivation here.

I'll check out you case on oka later.
Why did you call pyche null scum at all?

What newb town quotes another person as a reason for a scum read and ask wifom scum reasoning possiblity and smeering a player you know of.
Links of player.
As for your read on me that is pretty much not the only thing I've done.
I made a case on tex, made a read list and calmed pyche down on trying to get through jiffy with logic. Even NS knows trying to get jiffy to change his mind is useless.

FUCK THE Q+ button on my phone.

Will respond to stuff later on my laptop :/

I'm still voting Aeronaut and would like some more support there but would also be willing to move to Titus.

You may have the issue I do. You can push the Q+ button but if you go to a new page it disappears.
I do one page at a time to counteract that issue.

[farside22]

Alina: I explained that it was a question mark and not definite and stated my biggest issue is with tex, who apparently gets to lurk and not have votes on him unless jiffy says so.

[Elyse]

Elyse, why are you blantantly appealing to authority (claiming yourself as an expert on me) when the latest game you and I were both wrong on each other?

Yes my "reads" sucked. They were things I observed, which if you count those as strong reads I feel sorry for you. I won't have "decent" reads until I read the yhread.

I never claimed 100% accuracy.

And thanks farside

[Majiffy]

Dear farside.

And farside thinking texcat and tree are scumbuddies and yet not voting tree....ookay....

RIGHT?!

I'm not the only one seeing this. Put your vote on tree.

[farside22]

I was aggressive in a push because I thought gameplay was full of bs and wanted to lynch him. I felt he was scum and he played all secretly for no reason when he could've brought nothing up and make us not post pages about nothin.

What do you think now about him and where are your scum reads.


Reread coming now.

[farside22]

Dear farside.

And farside thinking texcat and tree are scumbuddies and yet not voting tree....ookay....

RIGHT?!

I'm not the only one seeing this. Put your vote on tree.

No.

In before jiffy calls me scum defending although I've repeatedly said my case on tex vs theory on tree does not mean it's accurate.

[Majiffy]

You must be an excellent carpenter.

[notscience]

Alinas town majiffy.

I get home in like 15 and can explain.

[notscience]

Also what Elyse said re Titus is similar here

[Majiffy]

Alinas town majiffy.

I get home in like 15 and can explain.

No shit.

[notscience]

Yes shit

I'm about to explain why my reads are better than everyone rlses

I mean give a readslist

(I really mean the former)

[Majiffy]

I meant no shit re: alina.

As in, I agree.

[notscience]

I know

But there are some people who need a reality check

[Aeronaut]

Oooh is it me?

[farside22]

In addition, there was your first read of TN as town which you couldn't explain when Majiffy questioned you about it. I think whiffling, as Majiffy calls it, is not good.

In the conversation with Elyse, you continued asking her for her reads even after she had told you. You seemed to be trying to divert her attention off of you.

Okay so another thing I noted that tex lied here.
He stated that aero didn't respond about his town read on tn, but aero did respond in the very next post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6137639

[farside22]

Tn is a scum read and Mirhawk reads pretty meh this game to me.
Tex is scum
Need to check oka's meta.
Tree is vi
I find myself agreeing with pyche.

[farside22]

In before for hi five scum team apathy shit.

You know since not science doesn't read tree scum and just wants Titus lynch that makes no sense for all scum to agree with each other.

[notscience]

Oooh is it me?

Nah, scum like you have reasons for shitty reads

[Aeronaut]

Oooh is it me?

Nah, scum like you have reasons for shitty reads

You say I'm scum, but you're voting someone you think is town... Hmmm...