NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Alina]

I'm at page 50 right now. I'm getting an aneurysm. I need like a 10 minute break.

[tn5421]

There's a difference between "not a perfect fit" and disavowing the clear meaning of what you just said.

You can die tomorrow.

Is that a scumclaim?

[Alina]

what

am i missing something here

Like TN. You're an alien here. You were great in NY175 but here you're like a cartoon character.

[Alina]

No but that requires meta research to verify if he always is vi.

Gameplay said something about him playing with Oka before(or vice versa) and Gameplay voted him so I assumed this wasn't normal for him. I guess I could go and check. Probably a good idea.

Has it been confirmed this game has 2 seperate scum teams?

It said so back in the pregame. Wake removed it when he made the actual game thread, so...I'm not sure if he changed it or just decided he didn't want us to know that information if it's true.

Just read 10 pages. Nice.
Townreads so far:
Majiffy, Pere, Alina, Elyse.
Weaker townreads:
Mirhawk, tex, Josh, Royal.
I dont like how tree just came in the thread, talked shit, did shit and left. Right now I dont like him.
I am getting less and less sure on Aero tho. Not liking him much out of soon.
Notscience makes it up to my lynch list.
Psyche and farside are both nullscum. Not liking them
Need to see more from Titus.
Still liking my vote on Oka.

Why is Royal a townread and Psyche scummish?

Role pm reads scum

You're more focused on who is bsing than why they are bsing

(Scum try to push lynches based on who is lying, town needs to not only figure out if someone is lying but why)

Bullshit.

I have explained my reasoning on Gameplay scum and why he would do it. I had a whole conversation with Aero on possibilities of shit he might pull out his ass. Obviously Gameplay finally explained after ignoring this for 2 days, and not answering for 5 days, but that stills gives him scum cred.

Your logic behind thinking Gameplay scum though is really bad. All of your logic (so far) kind of sucks, actually.

Considering you have been posting things that would infer similar reads to my own, and these reads are close to the polar opposite, I'm left scratching my head at this.

I don't particularly agree wholeheartedly with his reads, but the reasoning he gives is understandable. I'm a bit curious why Reinoe is so scummy to him though, after looking at it again.

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I'll do a readslist after this catchup post.

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......oka what

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Ugh here is my problem with tree: "too scummy to be scum"

Don't fall prey to this. There is no such thing. tree is just useless and I hope he gets vigged.

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Unvote

My scumreads all suck

What do you mean by this?

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ugh aeronaut wtf no

WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING PEOPLE THEY DON'T THINK ARE SCUM

STOP IT

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I think I need to reread the whole tex/farside thing because I'm totally confused trying to follow it.

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Psyche is voting Aeronaut.

Probability of tree scum - DOWN.
Probability of Aeronaut scum - UP.

Why is this?

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If tree flips scum I'm just gonna laugh and accept my lynch.

wut

why would you accept your lynch if he's scum

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@Texcat

Can I have a full reads list from you please?

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@NS

How is TN's ....

strange

...push on Titus town at all?

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...I don't understand Aeronaut. Or TN. Or NS. I think there needs to be a separate alignment just for them. I'll call it the "derp" alignment because wtf.

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Is it just me or did this game explode into a giant WTFest?

It's been like this since like page 5 at least.

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WHAT THE FUCK IS PAGE 47 I DON'T EVEN WANT TO READ ANYMORE

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I am scum

Good enough reason for me.

VOTE: NotScience

I don't know why you'd outwardly claim. Were you sick of the pressure?

this is really fucking bad. some of your rage I thought was kind of townish even though you had some really really WTF posts but this...No. This is just. So. So. So bad. Dayvig him someone please. I want him dayvigged now instead of tree.

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Yeah but you know that post was town as fuck

What are you talking about here? I'm confused. Which post?

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Also, Elyse is useless or scum.

what why

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#1236 happens and gives me a couple doubts but I still want to vote him.

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Ok so half of TSO's recent posts are about how the possibility of Aero being scum is higher compared to tree. Just no. Oh and the vote on Aero kinda comes with little to none reasoning. Just no
Aero is just pointing fingers everywhere and but not voting anyone. Ye right

Really? Interesting. I'll ISO them both. #1265 by you is interesting. Hm.

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you are all really bizarre

THIS

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What L- is Aero at? I want to vote him. Also, I'll work on a reads list. I need to ISO some people though because I don't even remember why I'm reading some people the way I am.

[Titus]

There's a difference between "not a perfect fit" and disavowing the clear meaning of what you just said.

You can die tomorrow.

Is that a scumclaim?

Are you drunk right now too?

[Titus]

Finally, someone I fucking like shows up.

[tn5421]

Finally, someone I fucking like shows up.

Wow, that cuts deep.

I'd like to think that we're kinda-friends, but this is mafia. If you let friendship get in the way you'll lose.

[Titus]

Dude, that was all in the context of the fucking game.

I like you outside of the game. In this game, you have a scum role PM.

[Alina]

Ugh here's a base for now. Trying to ISO right now is killing my brain cells. I'll give actual reasoning later:

Townish:(In no particular order)

3. Majiffy
5. Reinoe
15. gameplay506
18. Psyche
20. Elyse
21. Josh_B
12. Shaddowez

Null:(In no particular order)

7. mirhawk(almost put as townish)
4. PeregrineV(also almost put as townish)
8. T S O(Need to reread him.)
11. Aegor
1. Titus
10. notscience(also derp)
13. RoyalApe(I almost put him in the scummish thing
but I don't even remember why)

Mixed:(In no particular order)

2. farside22(I need to reread her. Super confusing.)
17. texcat(See above.)

Scummish:(In no particular order)

9. AERONAUT(also derp)
14. tn5421(also derp)
16. tree
19. OkaPoka

Do I actually have to go and count how many votes Aero has myself? Lame.

[Alina]

This is probably L-2.

VOTE: Aeronaut

I

t miiiiight be L-1. I'm bad at counting.

I'm not sure. So be careful.

[Alina]

Gonna catch up on another game and then play the ISO game.

[gameplay506]

Unvote Aero now. He is not scum. Like fuckin look at the people voting him omg.

[gameplay506]

@Aero

It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now.

I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

That was just awful. Mir just moved down the town list. Like wtf is this shit.

[tn5421]

Dude, that was all in the context of the fucking game.

I like you outside of the game. In this game, you have a scum role PM.

Actually, I don't, but I assume you mean "I assume everyone but me has a scum role pm" rather than you talking about me specifically.

I can't believe all these people voting Aero like he's scum.

If he's scum I will literally sheep reinoe for the

rest of the game

.

[tn5421]

@Titus: Don't worry, I'm really good at 'not taking things personally' at least within the context of the game.

[gameplay506]

Aeronaut (7): T S O, Psyche, notscience, Majiffy, Shaddowez, Elyse, texcat

Now let me prove why this wagon:
Tso - placed his vote with almost none reasoning. Opporutunistic vote. More detailed in post 1265
Psyche - just like Tso, no reasonig places a naked vote:

vote aeronaut

Things he said for Aero

:

~nothing before the vote

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~After the vote:

aero is a great wagon

Notscience - already proved why his arguments are shit - 1253. Also voting for a townread of yours half the game just speaks for itseld on what extend this person should be sheeped.

Majiffy- one of the less crappy votes here , but still almost no imput on his case on Aero.

Shadow - oh god ffs this is a fucking

RVS VOTE

... Like he was lurking hard, pointed a lot of fingers, didnt move his vote on none of those people, finally came and left his vote on Aero cus yolo ( oh wait softclaim? ; totally vote worthable!)

Elyse - the only person who may actually deserve to be here.

Tex - placed his vote on the early pages becuase of the Aero vs Elyse. Oh and didnt develop his vote/case on Aero since then. Just came back here and defended himself.

Mirhawk - just... look at this reasoning:

@Aero
It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now. I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

Wtf? It looks like you are voting him just to see what he claims. So bad.

Now pls just look how many crappy people are on this wagon and tell me it was town motivated...

[gameplay506]

Ebwop: More detailed in post 1265

[gameplay506]

Like this wagon should go down.

[tn5421]

Damnit.

On one hand, I want to lynch tree today, but on the other I can't just sit back and ignore this godawful wagon on Aero.

How the fuck can someone GAMBIT with ICs and Dayvigs but GOD FORBID SOMEONE FUCKING SOFTCLAIM LOL PILE ON THE WAGON

[Alina]

Gameplay those are actually good points. Okay. I'll look closer at everything tomorrow. My brain is fried.

UNVOTE: Aeronaut

And I'm not voting him because of his softclaim. That thing is null to me.

[tn5421]

Gameplay those are actually good points. Okay. I'll look closer at everything tomorrow. My brain is fried.

UNVOTE: Aeronaut

And I'm not voting him because of his softclaim. That thing is null to me.

My comment was directed at Mirhawk in particular :<

[Alina]

Oh okay lol. >_>

[tn5421]

Balinskiies.

Still waiting for this to be a thing.

[Alina]

holy crap lmao. That's the best iteration yet. That will be the new canon name for that ship <3

[tn5421]

So, initial thoughts - anyone whose name can be abbreviated to PerV must be town

Since the group of us from our last game seem to be voting for each other,
VOTE: Aero

I'll be going through the pages of stuff I managed to miss is less than 12 hours and (hopefully) posting more content in a bit.

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Elyse, do you have reads besides this?

At that point, no. Did you?

@RoyalApe
I'm done pursuing this vote further because obviously it's now starting to cause more harm than good.

But your "question" to me "Are you defending Oka" seemed rhetoric because of the "should I be poking you" and "HMMMMM?". That's why I posted those two separately.

It's ok though because we're out of RVS! (Despite reinoe and co trying to keep us in it)

Now when you all realize that voting me for pressuring an RVS vote is stupid, we can get on with the game. If you seriously think scum would do this and try to ride it out to a lynch on RoyalApe, then lol ok.

lulz at the fakeness here.


VOTE: Elyse
[notscience, TSO, Elyse]

Explain.

I agree with tree wrt feeling like we're still in RVS. And saying that he feels that way doesn't mean he's keeping us in there, Aeronaut.

Eh...

I think Reinoe is probably town

. Honestly. Scum Reinoe is serious and focused, and that's just not what we have here.

He does like to change playstyles I guess, but either way it's null

.

Town or null?

Psyche, you literally don't make sense ever.

I'd be down with a tree lynch, but I'm not feeling good about Oka.

The aggressiveness rubs me wrong, and it sort of feels like he's trying way to hard to make it look like he's scumhunting.

That's how I feel about you actually.

@People voting tree: I'm not really sure that a crappy IC claim is enough to lynch someone. What else has tree done that's really scummy?

Wait you literally just said in the post I quoted above that you'd be down with a tree lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aeronaut

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I have been reading along, but haven't understood half of what is going on. Tree made a couple of quickly disproven fake claims that I can't see the purpose for. And I can't see the motivation for it from either a scum or a town. Although I will say that it seemed to generate quite a bit of conversation.

The recent interactions between Aero and Elyse have convinced me to
VOTE: Aeronaut

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Oooh is it me?

Nah, scum like you have reasons for shitty reads

You say I'm scum, but you're voting someone you think is town... Hmmm...

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Vote: Aeronaut

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vote aeronaut

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VOTE: aero

btw

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VOTE: Aero

Letsdoit

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But can't we lynch Aeronaut today and tree tomorrow?

Because I give a 30% estimate of tree being scum, but Aeronaut is around double that.

This is pretty close to the way I feel on this.

@Aero
It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now. I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

Vote
Lynch: Tree

ughhh

on a side note do you know how much votes formatted like so remove all hope of automated anything

Geez, the top line was supposed to be unvote and the first word of the second line should have been vote.

Man I screwed that up.

Unvote
Vote: Aero

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....so this is the entire timeline of Aero votes.