NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[tn5421]

are you gonna push for her lynch

If she keeps this up, yes.

[Elyse]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? LITERALLY WHO EVEN ARE YOU?

[Majiffy]

There are a number of entities in this game that I believe are smoking crack. TN and Aegor are two of them.

[Majiffy]

Titus too, but she's always had a crack problem.

[notscience]

Can I have some?

[tn5421]

Can I have some?

Got enough money?

[Majiffy]

[shaddowez]

@Shaddowez and Gameplay

What do you think about TN?

Definitely getting a different sense of playstyle from NY175, but he was a hyrda there so I'm not sure how comparable it is.

I have a mostly null/very slight scumread on him right now. Most of his posts contain a lot of words but very little content, and even more lack original thoughts. I really don't like the PL pushes, but that again doesn't read as alignment indicative to me, especially since there were multiple people pushing for the same thing. I agree with his read on NS, but can't say the same for most of his other reads.

tn

- Considering how much you seem to not like Elyse, why is she below both Titus and ns on your priority list? Also....

Townreads are preferable to scumreads early on imo.

Reinoe
alina
T S O
notscience
Shaddowez
Elyse

These people are basically conf town and if you don't like it you can just shut the fuck up because your opinion is invalid.

No, over half of this list is scummy, Alina is the only person I'd feel safe considering conftown.

High Priority > Titus > NotScience > Elyse / Tree > Texcat > Low Priority

You've provided a concise list of your scumreads but not your townreads, even though you think townreads are preferable. Care to give thoughts on your townreads?

[shaddowez]

this whole discussion is just potentially hugely incorrect setup speculation that is not only distracting from scumhunting but can lead to a string of methodical mislynches that have little to do with actual scumreads.

I completely agree with this. It's the same way I felt about the bannable info bullshit that took up pages of posts for no reason.

[shaddowez]

Meant to say in my read on tn I have a similar read on Oka. He hasn't done too much, and most of his posts/content was based on the gameplay issue. I don't blame Oka for pushing gameplay regarding that, but the rest of his posts and votes are extremely weak

[tn5421]

Town:
Aero, Gameplay, Alina, Tree (is rapidly becoming one, even if I still think he's a bit negative utility based on previous actions), PeregrineV (leaning town)

[tn5421]

See 1846 on why my read on Tree changed.

[Titus]

No :/ feel free to investigate.

An investigator would naturally be a CC to you. So why are you telling me to "feel free to investigate" if you are the investigator? Hmm... you're paranoid and I've got you because you've seen what I've been doing. :-p Confess rolecop.

Don't you think you're making too many assumptions here?

List them.

1) An investigator would be a CounterClaim.
2) Investigators can't work together
3) You assume Aero is scum. If you're town this is confbias.
4) (probably a joke) You assume he will actually confess.
5) You assume Aero is simply paranoid, see #2 and #3 to see that it is you that is paranoid.

Yes. Any investigator compared to a GS unless backup would be a CC.
Investigators if not naturally CCs can work together. Ex: Tracker/Watcher
No. Town don't lie about being GSes.
I'd hope but he isn't confessing with people defending him.
Aero is paranoid I've caught him. Look at his other posts. They lack paranoia but are rather defensive... don't lynch me, I'm a PR etc.

[Psyche]

didn't you only vote aero after he claimed

[tn5421]

@shadowez: only just realized you asked me about titus/ns/elyse, it's because elyse only started striking my as scummy in the last page or two at most, after i made my list.

[Mirhawk]

Titus is being overly aggressive.

Titus isn't being overly aggressive, she's being Titus levels of aggressive.
This is normal for her, I'm more curious as to why she was being so passive before now.

who first suggested this

The multiple scumteam thing was first suggested by whoever found the thread where Wake was speculating on possible setups. I can't remember specifically who it was, Gameplay or Reinoe maybe?

It was not the wiki as Titus was suggesting, as whoever brought it up brought it up near the beginning of the game.

No it reads as "I'm so sure tree is town that if I'm wrong I deserve to be removed from the game." This is coupled with a vote on tree. Do you understand why that doesn't make sense?

You wonder why I'm calling you a liar.

And yet you do shit like this.

I'm vaguely sure Aero was calling Tree town at the time, so I think Elyse is more on track with this then you.

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I seriously wouldn't mind lynching Aero today. I mean we can wait a bit I suppose but even if he's a gunsmith I don't think there's much of a chance of him being town.

[tn5421]

Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.

Can we lynch tree now?

Tree's trying though. He's helping town more than Oka, because Oka won't give an opinion.

P-edit:

This is the latest read i can find from Aero on tree.

[Mirhawk]

???

Wouldn't Aero's opinion at the time he made the 1-1 comment be more important then his stance now?

Also, this more or less contradicts the point you were making as Aero clearly isn't calling Tree scum in that post.

[Mirhawk]

Was that even addressed to me?

[Elyse]

Wanna lynch tn?

[Mirhawk]

Yeah kind of

[tn5421]

???

Wouldn't Aero's opinion at the time he made the 1-1 comment be more important then his stance now?

Also, this more or less contradicts the point you were making as Aero clearly isn't calling Tree scum in that post.

I did an iso and searched for "tree" then posted the last one that actually had Aero posting about him than someone quoting.

I''m pretty sure what i said was that Aero didn't call tree "town", which he didn't. He said tree was making effort.

It was addressed at everyone.

[tn5421]

Specifically: "Tree's trying though. He's helping town more than Oka"

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tn

You are arguing lies to make me look worse and refusing to explain anything.

[Mirhawk]

@TN
What exactly is Elyse lying about and why is it important?

Because not only am I not sure what you're saying she's lying about, I have no idea as to why I should care.

pedit

I''m pretty sure what i said was that Aero didn't call tree "town", which he didn't. He said tree was making effort.

I read it as "I'm so certain that Tree is scum that if I'm wrong, I deserve to be removed from the game"