Mafia 58: Ready Salted - Game over!

[Amb]

We cant afford new bandwagons, unless we can get the deadline dropped. We must lynch someone on that board. My preference is well publicized, but I will also go for ~N9V~ or panzerjager. I know very little about Jalyn at the moment. Twito is not a ghastly lynch, but given that he has zero votes on him for now, I think we can forget about him today.

[Kelly Chen]

I don't see anything in Jalyn's posts that leads me to believe she's mafia. Her cases have all been pretty legit.

Well, you have Chibo and you have mole before her. Jalyn went after Lowell, who was town. And now that theopor_COD is probably town, Jalyn's efforts against him don't look particularly good to me. Gut at work here to some extent.

[Amb]

Okay, I have Jalyn's posts filtered down. I cant see anything that would make me think scum. Her main flavour has been to join the largest bandwagon available at the time, but that a scum does not make.

The thing is, with her posts, is that there is very little I can latch onto and say 'Aha'. There are players that I can do that with.

[Amb]

Panzerjager:

You obviously don't know that my job is to catch scum like you

... Very suspicious statement .... I dont like it...

Riverwind, Scotmany is decidedly town. I wouldn't have jumped on the Livingod wagon either and I'm not jumping on the scope wagon because I don't see why.

Defended someone I believe to be scum, and next post:

I don't see the case on Scope or Livingod.

Defended known scum.

Another FoS for Twito, I believe he bussed Livingod caught him off guard and is trying to mislynch Kaleidoscope. Scratch the FoS

This is more a FOS on Twito because he might have been bussing his own GF, but PJ might have been annoyed that his cop-proof (?) GF was being rammed, and then suddenly swung away from. It might have looked 'good' in a situation where scope was lynched (and town), and Livingod was proven to be scum later in the game.

Rand, If you survive the night I would like an investigation on BM. I think that would make a lot of things clear, to me at least.

Cop directing.

In the next post, I want to analyse a specific scotmany/panzerjager tie together. I hadnt intended doing more on Scotmany, but this is too interesting to pass up.

[Amb]

This is the bit I want to understand:

Panzerjager

Bm is closely behind scot for pushing on townies, My one post that you called me scum for has been more protown then your whole game. Strong FoS:BM,Scotmany

I may be throwing my self under a bus or wagon, but I agree with scotmany. I didn't see the reasons for the Livingod lynch

Riverwind, Scotmany is decidedly town. I wouldn't have jumped on the Livingod wagon either and I'm not jumping on the scope wagon because I don't see why.

On scotmany, he is being a little more aggresive and it seems a little scummy

THIS IS THE SAME DAY???????

I'm not pushing scotmany to hard but I can see a case for him, I just can not see the case for Scope.

His next mention is mar 24, where he votes Scotmany.

...although a lot of us feel Scotmany is scum...."

I'd actually like to know who... I certainly havent managed follows. But if he thinks a lot of us feel that, then it can easily be seen as blending.

Scum: Theo and Scotmany
Scummish: K-scope, Rand, N9V, BM, Amb
Unsure: River, OTU, Alko, Twito
Townish: Kelly, DoS, Jalyn
Town: IH, Myself

Suddenly a bandwagon appears to start. I joined it... What reaction do I get?

Fos:Amb Is that the best reason you got. That supports that i think your scummy very heavily.

HANG on a second? This is some accusation? He lists Scotmany as SCUM. Not Scummish, not Unsure, not townish or town. Then when I join a bandwagon that he, by definition, must be wanting to complete - he attacks me for it? He is defending or trying to save Scotmany again! And yet by May 24, he is on the bandwagon himself voting Scotmany with "METAGAMING" as the reason. Is that the best reason you got Panzer?

[Amb]

Filtering by Scotmany and doing keyword searching on Panzer makes for interesting reading. Scotmany displays the same style of jumping as Panzer that I just quoted. "Panzer is scum","Panzer is less scum" etc, etc. I encourage every other player to do the same, and see for themselves.

[Amb]

Unvote; Vote Panzerjager

I can come back to scotmany. This is equally damning in my view. Sorry for the pentuple posts (or hexuple, etc). Ill stop now.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm primarily hesitant to vote for panzerjager because every game I'm in with him I think he's scum, which means that my read on him is less than perfect. Of course, in the one finished game I was in with him, he WAS scum.

[theopor_COD]

Jalyn needs to post.

I want to hear her thoughts she's only really attacked me since start of day three, I want some content.

[scotmany12]

Amb, I will give you that panzer has been jumping around most with me. Sometimes I'm town, and then sometimes I'm scum. He can't seem to make up my mind. I have already said that I am suspicious of him, and I might end up looking over. Also, I never said Panzer was town. I have said at times that he has become less scummy or such, but I have always had him as one of the most players.

At this point, I would most likely want to lynch Amb, but I would lynch panzer as well, along with DoS.

[theopor_COD]

I tell you what lets have everyones top three scum suspects. I asked about 20 pages for analysis on everyone it didn't happen on the whole, maybe top three will get us nearer a solid lynch.

1. Jalyn
2. Scotmany/Panzer/TCS or n9v

I could expand on this but Jalyn is my ideal lynch for today. Gonna have a close look at IH and Panzer

[The Fonz]

I don't think a new wagon is necessarily a bad idea, but it would have to get started right now. I'm sticking by the N9V lynch- I can't see any way in which his behaviour helps the town, or for that matter, differs from how he acted as scum in M57.

[Battle Mage]

No way K-Scope is scum.

WHY?

(I'm so tempted to vote for you here)

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Because it's ridicilous if it was, considering what happened. Besides, you have a grudge formed against me now, so it doesn't matter what I post from now on, you won't change your mind anyway. You got tunnel vision

We need to lynch n9v

[ChannelDelibird]

Jalyn has 24 hours to pick up his prod before being replaced.

[IH]

We cant afford new bandwagons, unless we can get the deadline dropped. We must lynch someone on that board. My preference is well publicized, but I will also go for ~N9V~ or panzerjager. I know very little about Jalyn at the moment. Twito is not a ghastly lynch, but given that he has zero votes on him for now, I think we can forget about him today.

Is the Twito lynch because he's lurking, or do you have an actual case on him?

Mod:Can we have a votecount?

[theopor_COD]

unvote, vote n9v

Sadly, I think this is probably the only lynch we'll end up agreeing on by the deadline.

[Amb]

I think thats probably the case

But my preference is in this order:
1. Panzerjager based on my latest read
2. Scotmany
3. N9V or Twito as emergency backups

I'll reconsider once we get the next vote count.

[DragonsofSummer]

My top three:
1. Panzer

2. N9V

I don't really have a third major suspect right now, but am inclined to reread scotmany.

[Twito]

My top 3:
1. Kscope
2. Kaleidoscope
3. K-Scope

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Funny how you are incapable of spelling it correctly at least once.

[PJ.]

I like an Amb lynch and I don't mind at all a DoS lynch. I wouldn't even mind the Twito lynch. Unless Twito is a cop I don't see any reason for him to be so damn close minded and unreasonable.

[Amb]

Don't push underhandedly for a Twito claim! Not now, not with one cop already claimed!

[DragonsofSummer]

I would still like to point out that panzer has never presented a case against me at all. I went from being pro town in one post and then I kept pushing n9v lynch I suddenly changed to being scum in his opinion (never having been mentioned at all in the interim).

[Amb]

I'd also like to point out that Twito isn't actually trying! That last post of his was a complete and total waste of space. If you are going to give three Twito, give three and give reasoning with them. His post gives the impression he cares not to even think about anyone else in the game.