NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[TheWayItEnds]

Nobody else was talking. I felt it was ok to comment on, especially since you yourself appear to have skimmed over it on your first read. I only caught it my second read. Someone imitated mastin (AP I think) and someone specifically referred to mastin as a she. It just surprised me.

This at least makes your comment semi relevant. Like at least its based off something that happened this game.

I'm reading you town because you share the same suspects as I do for the most part. While I'm reading, oftentimes I'll write down questions, and you just so happen to ask those same questions. You also come off as stern, which I generally find to be more of a town quality.
I wasn't aware that you had only voted once yesterday. I haven't gone through your iso yet. Ony my second re-read I decided to start looking for players who were actively pushing, antagonizing or goading lynchies from the sidelines. Mirhawk stood out in that regard. Most of the time, like I said earlier, scum like to keep their lynch options open. "Yeah, I was already looking at that person earlier, and I agree with X, so this kind of seals the deal for me" is typically what I expect to see from scum. And his behavior fits that style.

How does me telling you that I only placed a single vote yesterday affect your read on me?

You can answer now or whenever you do get around to ISOing me, idc.

[reinoe]

reinoe, I just voted you with extreme emphasis.

Why don't you care?

Because you've been scum reading me for a while. It would be strange to question someone for voting their scumread.

Same question: right back at ya.

[goodmorning]

Fun fact: can juice meet a toucan?

Votecount 2.15

reinoe [L-4] - Izariael, Toomai, Cephrir

Toomai [L-6] - Aegor

scrambles [L-6] - ika

T S O [L-6] - T S O

ika [L-6] -scrambles

Cephrir [L-6] - reinoe

Not Voting [5] - MVP, Cabd, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, AngryPidgeon

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-09-15 00:00:00).

scrambles is V/LA for 2 weeks

[reinoe]

reinoe, I just voted you with extreme emphasis.

Why don't you care?

Because you've been scum reading me for a while. It would be strange to question someone for voting their scumread.

Same question: right back at ya.

A bigger concern should be why isn't someone NOT voting their scumread. Why has TSO been calling you scum all the live-long day but won't vote you. He doesn't vote for me until a wagon develops. He votes himself before he votes for you. He even asks you questions like he trusts you. I'm surprised you do t have anything to say about any of that.

[Cephrir]

reinoe, I just voted you with extreme emphasis.

Why don't you care?

Because you've been scum reading me for a while. It would be strange to question someone for voting their scumread.

Same question: right back at ya.

There was a very clear and specific reason here. I'm surprised no one else has snap voted you for the same reason.

I don't care that you're voting me because you're scum.

[Cephrir]

reinoe, I just voted you with extreme emphasis.

Why don't you care?

Because you've been scum reading me for a while. It would be strange to question someone for voting their scumread.

Same question: right back at ya.

A bigger concern should be why isn't someone NOT voting their scumread. Why has TSO been calling you scum all the live-long day but won't vote you. He doesn't vote for me until a wagon develops. He votes himself before he votes for you. He even asks you questions like he trusts you. I'm surprised you do t have anything to say about any of that.

I have asked him why he is scumreading me somewhere on the order of 12-13 times.

[Cephrir]

(However, he can't be scum right now, because you are scum-- so it doesn't really matter)

[reinoe]

(However, he can't be scum right now, because you are scum-- so it doesn't really matter)

1) these are some weak ass responses to my questions.

2) why are you ruling out multiball? Unless you know it's not...

Can we get some more votes on Cephrir. I think I caught something here.

[scrambles]

Nobody else was talking. I felt it was ok to comment on, especially since you yourself appear to have skimmed over it on your first read. I only caught it my second read. Someone imitated mastin (AP I think) and someone specifically referred to mastin as a she. It just surprised me.

This at least makes your comment semi relevant. Like at least its based off something that happened this game.

I'm reading you town because you share the same suspects as I do for the most part. While I'm reading, oftentimes I'll write down questions, and you just so happen to ask those same questions. You also come off as stern, which I generally find to be more of a town quality.
I wasn't aware that you had only voted once yesterday. I haven't gone through your iso yet. Ony my second re-read I decided to start looking for players who were actively pushing, antagonizing or goading lynchies from the sidelines. Mirhawk stood out in that regard. Most of the time, like I said earlier, scum like to keep their lynch options open. "Yeah, I was already looking at that person earlier, and I agree with X, so this kind of seals the deal for me" is typically what I expect to see from scum. And his behavior fits that style.

How does me telling you that I only placed a single vote yesterday affect your read on me?


You can answer now or whenever you do get around to ISOing me, idc.

It could mean anything. It's null. You might have either made that comment to evidence that vote parking doesn't mean anything, or you might've done it because you suspected that I knew you had voteparked as well and was asking you to see if you'd throw suspicion on something you did yourself.
And there are both scum and town motivations for doing either.

[scrambles]

(However, he can't be scum right now, because you are scum-- so it doesn't really matter)

why can't they both be scum?

[scrambles]

I see reinoe brought up multiball. That wasn't what I meant above. Just for clarificiation.
I meant why can't they both be on the same team. I think it's pretty common for mafia to tunnel their teammates.

[TheWayItEnds]

(However, he can't be scum right now, because you are scum-- so it doesn't really matter)

1) these are some weak ass responses to my questions.

2) why are you ruling out multiball? Unless you know it's not...

Can we get some more votes on Cephrir. I think I caught something here.

... You think its multiball? In a 15 player game? With 1 death on N1?

I think there are good reasons to rule out multiball so far.

It could mean anything. It's null. You might have either made that comment to evidence that vote parking doesn't mean anything, or you might've done it because you suspected that I knew you had voteparked as well and was asking you to see if you'd throw suspicion on something you did yourself.
And there are both scum and town motivations for doing either.

Sorry. Let me be more clear.

Does knowing that I only placed 1 vote yesterday change your read on me?

How much?

(However, he can't be scum right now, because you are scum-- so it doesn't really matter)

why can't they both be scum?

Because they cant.

[scrambles]

(However, he can't be scum right now, because you are scum-- so it doesn't really matter)

1) these are some weak ass responses to my questions.

2) why are you ruling out multiball? Unless you know it's not...

Can we get some more votes on Cephrir. I think I caught something here.

... You think its multiball? In a 15 player game? With 1 death on N1?

I think there are good reasons to rule out multiball so far.

It could mean anything. It's null. You might have either made that comment to evidence that vote parking doesn't mean anything, or you might've done it because you suspected that I knew you had voteparked as well and was asking you to see if you'd throw suspicion on something you did yourself.
And there are both scum and town motivations for doing either.

Sorry. Let me be more clear.

Does knowing that I only placed 1 vote yesterday change your read on me?

How much?

(However, he can't be scum right now, because you are scum-- so it doesn't really matter)

why can't they both be scum?

Because they cant.

Sorry, there's something wrong with the way quoting works on this computer (office pc) so I can't shorten quotes at all. I feel really bad about taking up all this space.
Anyway, until I see exactly where your vote is and the reasoning behind it, and other factors, I can't say.
I'll need to see the context first.

As I said earlier, Mirhawk had plenty of reason to move his vote but didn't after what looked like being shamed out of the bob vote. (for getting his facts wrong) That specific instance of voteparking makes me think he wanted to vote for bob, but didn't because a) the lynch would happen without him and b) his original reasoning was poor, and could end up tainting a second vote rationality through later game vote analysis. ie flip flopping, wagon jumping, tunneling avoidance.

[reinoe]

To be clear I don't think it's multiball, I'm just not ruling it out. A claimed vig could have been double killed. See NY 175.

[scrambles]

There'd be no reason for mafia team b to kill the vig who was going to shoot a potential mafia team a reinoe

[reinoe]

There'd be no reason for mafia team b to kill the vig who was going to shoot a potential mafia team a reinoe

Dj had multiple vig targets though.

[scrambles]

So you think its possible that both teams killed him and at least one team blocked him

[reinoe]

So you think its possible that both teams killed him and at least one team blocked him

As for possibility: yes.

My gripe was that Cephrir was treating an unlikely situation like it was impossible.

[scrambles]

Thanks for telling me you guys have a blocker

[ika]

how about we apply occam razor to this pointless convo:

if 2 scum teams exist:
i would expect all kills to resove simataniously
that means in 15 p it would be 2v2v11 for numbers

so lets go with options:

A team + B team both attacked vig
-vig hit a BP role unless we assume both have rbers (bellence)

A/B hit vig and other kills elsewhere
-A/B has rber
-A/B was not in kill list

im too tired to show the pointlessness of this

[T S O]

no it's multiball with town vig clearly

[T S O]

hint: it's not multiball, reinoe's still scum.

[T S O]

unvote
vote: reinoe

[T S O]

TSO.

You have skipped over me asking you why I'm scum like FIVE TIMES.

Let's play "see how big a quoteblock I can make of this before you stop ignoring it".

I am purposely not answering this because I am doing my best to get reinoe lynched.

[T S O]

(and your recent vote doesn't really look like a bus so yeah)