I'm up in the air on cam, Boo. He's felt a bit sneaky to me all game, and the best reason I had to NOT vote him was never all that good.. the fact that almost everyone has voted him at one point or another. And that LML seemed to act guilty when being caught FOSing him. Here are some interactions surrounding cam.. still processing these while I try to reach a conclusion.
His votes:
Boo, Albert, Glork(self-pres), DGB, UT, CES, Sotty, Poro, STD, Yos, CDB
He was "away" for the LML deadline.
He spent some time on Poro and ABR over the course of the game. If they're scum, cam's record looks better.
In 2893 on July 18th, he votes Poro while pointing to STD as a backup suspect:
cam wrote:Idunno about STD. I've been feeling pretty townly toward STD all game, but there's this possible {STD, Chamber, OGML, VitR, porochaz} scumteam that niggling at the back of my head. (Admittedly, OGML's posts have been making this feel less likely).
In 2960 on July 19th, switches to STD:
cam wrote:It's a more productive vote than my current one, though I'm still mystified that poro doesn't get any attention.
Albert and DGB had just voted STD in 2956 and 2957. Spy had voted STD in 2952. chamber was already voting STD and had just posted:
chamber wrote:Primarily the things that are convincing me to vote for STD are 2118, that CES had a scum read there, the 2 POE sets he's in both pointing to him and matchcam (at least from my pov), and yesterdays hammer.
PJ was leaning scum on DGB, VitR was leaning town on DGB and had mildly defended STD.
cam posted about his dilemma:
cam wrote:I'm constantly fluctuating between people who I think are acting not-particularly-townly and talking myself into thinking their probably town (DGB, porochaz, ABR, chamber), and people who I think are pretty towny looking and talking myself into being paranoid that I'm glossing over them (Yos, STD, GC).
cam's vote made it 5-5 STD-DGB which is somewhat significant. He did it in a post that announced a two week semi-VLA. Scum would do this if they smelled momentum and knew they needed to get on the wagon before missing their second lynch of scum in a row. Town would do this if their #1 suspect had no votes and their #2 suspect was in the running.
STD soft-defended mathcam against PJ's +1/-1 attacks. He asked cam for clarification on his DGB suspicions. In 1361, he attacked cam for casting suspicion on DGB without voting. I asked STD for a direct opinion, and this is what he gave:
In post 1438, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't have time to post much at the moment, but...
I gave MafiaSSK a pretty clear townread for the fact that his wagon seemed to unnaturally build. The thought that an LML FOS of the slot while keeping his vote on Tigris recently crept into my mind as "maybe he's trying to keep pressure but not actually vote his partner." I'm not really sure if that's the case, but I have found most of the people who were on the wagon to lean more towards town, and the only stand out that I feel may not be town (PJ) was kind of the most innocent person on that wagon, since he was the first to chime in with the reasoning, and everyone else followed.
I feel like both MafiaSSK and mathcam could have fallen for the trap of "saying things that sound suspicious but in reality are not." For that reason, the wagon MafiaSSK, and the general nature of mathcam's posts I have considered the slot pro-town, but with that recent thought about LML not touching the wagon and with mathcam's recent posts about DGB, I want to reconsider that, so when I get a free moment I'll take a look at his ISO with a neutral mindset and see what I see.
1563 is a huge STD on mathcam post. It's fairly neutral and accurate and concludes:
STD wrote:So the truth is, I still want to lynch DGB. Doesn't look like that is happening.
Unvote
His case on porochaz is lacking. He makes a case on ABR, and explains some of his reads which are nice, but once again there's not really much of a case.
I'm not so sure that the posts suggest an oscillation of opinion towards DGB. It seems like you placed her in the "not sure" category at the beginning of the day. Your exchange with her does not imply you think she's suspicious for her actions, but I'm not sure if that means you're scum and she's town or if you're both scum or if you were just to exacerbated to post "FOS: DGB" or something.
VERDICT: I'd be willing to lynch mathcam.
tl;dr:
Vote: mathcam
Also in light of undo and PJ's claim a vote count would be nice, especially since I think my mathcam vote puts him close to danger.
PJ had just claimed. cam had just voted UT. CTD, CES, Albert, UT and Boo had just voted cam. Glork, Sotty and GC were dabbling on an MBL vote. STD took the opportunity to make an MBL post indicating willingness to lynch me.
vote count: cam(6) Glork(4) MBL, DGB, UT(2)
GC voted Glork to make it 6-5, DGB made it 7-5. Poro voted Glork to make it 7-6. cam made it 7-7. VitR defended cam strongly. Glork defends cam mildly.
At 7-7, Albert unvotes cam to make it 7-6 Glork. GC defends mathcam.
STD posts about cam in 1608.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5975333 You could read the post over and over trying to convince yourself either way.. is STD busing or trying to justify his vote on a townie? This feels a little bit like the latter:
STD wrote:I think the argument against mathcam is not 100% zomg confirmed scum but it's certainly good enough for now.
In 1654 on June 27th, STD unvotes cam and votes DGB, making it cam(6) Glork(5) DGB(1). A REAAAAAAALLY weird and notable move. You could probably WIFOM yourself to death on this one. Was he protecting a scumpartner, or did he see that the two major wagons were townies and decided to jump on a competing wagon so he wouldn't get caught lynching town?
Here's where people are chillin at this point:
Glork (6) -- undo, Kublai Khan, VitaminR, Porochaz, mathcam, Green Crayons
CrashTextDummie (1) -- SpyreX
undo (1) -- chamber
mathcam (7) -- CrashTextDummie, Cogito Ergo Sum, Bookitty, Untrod Tripod, DrippingGoofball, Sotty7, Glork
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) -- Yosarian2
VitaminR (1) -- Albert B. Rampage
DrippingGoofball (2) -- Save the Dragons, petroleumjelly
The Glorkwagon has three townies on it and three unknown (VitR, Poro, cam).
Spy, Albert, Yos, PJ and chamber are in left field. Boo is our last unknown, and is on cam.
cam, Sotty and Poro switch to DGB. Yos and Albert switch to Glork. Now it's 6-6-5. CTD and UT switch off cam, and the cam wagon is effectively over. chamber hops on cam trying to rekindle it.
chamber wrote:Despite MBL's analysis leading to him concluding that cam was town, it reinforced my opinion that LML acted differently towards SSK on multiple occasions.
Glork 7, DGB 6, cam 5
Then DGB, chamber and CTD make the Glork lynch inevitable.
Thinking.
