Open 566: Murder on the Oriental Express (Game Over)

[TobyLoby]

I don't see a scum CKD subtly bashing a scum buddy Beli lynch while voting for [???] Chaos. I think he'd want Beli to look town, not push him like that, call him town, and then avoid the wagon. That's more scum to town tactics.

Does anybody think both Belisarius and curiouskarmadog could be scum together?

Not me. I thought CKD had put together a case on skelda most seemed to follow. Scum is on that skelda wagon.

But if Beli is scum, then CKD did a good job of badgering me off of his wagon.

I thought you left his wagon because you believed there wasn't the traction needed for a Beli wagon?

[TobyLoby]

@Chaos

, do you think I am scum?

Beli, you aren't making sense to me. Why a CKD vote over Amy?

VOTE: Beli

[acryon]

I don't see a scum CKD subtly bashing a scum buddy Beli lynch while voting for [???] Chaos. I think he'd want Beli to look town, not push him like that, call him town, and then avoid the wagon. That's more scum to town tactics.

Does anybody think both Belisarius and curiouskarmadog could be scum together?

Not me. I thought CKD had put together a case on skelda most seemed to follow. Scum is on that skelda wagon.

But if Beli is scum, then CKD did a good job of badgering me off of his wagon.

I thought you left his wagon because you believed there wasn't the traction needed for a Beli wagon?

They were both reasons. I could have tried to push harder for a Beli lynch, but given his "badgering", that wagon was tainted, and there was clearly not going to be enough traction for the wagon to continue.

[acryon]

I'm in opposite land of thinking one of beli/chaos is scum.
I don't see them scum together.

Do you not think that Chaos's WKing of Beli seemed really contrived?

No.
Why do you?

Yes, and you even said this. Did you change your mind?

This last chaos post makes me really wish we had the time to get a train there going. That post is rough man. Sounds

so

contrived.

No shit.

[TobyLoby]

How would his badgering (of you and who?) mean there would not be enough traction for the wagon to continue?

[acryon]

How would his badgering (of you and who?) mean there would not be enough traction for the wagon to continue?

Because any wagon I was trying to build momentum on would have scared people away due to the controversy surrounding it. Especially on D1, you almost never see a controversial wagon get there.

[TobyLoby]

I don't understand what you are saying and how it applies to the traction of a ~4 hours before deadline wagon. Me, you, farside and ultimately Chaos were the deciding votes for last day's lynch.

@Mod: Requesting a prod of Ranon please. Thanks!

Prodded

[acryon]

I don't understand what you are saying and how it applies to the traction of a ~4 hours before deadline wagon. Me, you, farside and ultimately Chaos were the deciding votes for last day's lynch.

@Mod: Requesting a prod of Ranon please. Thanks!

I don't know how to explain it much better than I did. But let me try like this. I'm a salesman, trying to sell a product to people. Suddenly, someone comes up and starts telling me how terrible the product is and how my sales ideas don't make sense, etc, all in front of my potential buyers. This would certainly make it almost impossible for me to sell you the product in a short period of time after you witnessed someone bashing it/questioning me so heavily. It would take some more work and extra evidence(which wasn't there yet) to get you over the perceived issues this person brought up.

[TobyLoby]

I don't think there was an equivalency to that going on.

I did look back and I was mistaken by how the votes looked at that point in time when you switched at 5-5. I think farside would have gone over to Beli over Skelda though. Even so, I don't know how we would have made up that last vote on Beli if things went that way.

Hmmy hmm hms.

I prefer talking in real time to people and I know you've said it all already - but just to clarify, do you believe CKD is town? Any changes in thoughts if Beli flips scum? What Let's say we lynch Beli today and he flips town. What do you think of CKD's alignment then?

[acryon]

I don't think there was an equivalency to that going on.

I did look back and I was mistaken by how the votes looked at that point in time when you switched at 5-5. I think farside would have gone over to Beli over Skelda though. Even so, I don't know how we would have made up that last vote on Beli if things went that way.

Hmmy hmm hms.

I prefer talking in real time to people and I know you've said it all already - but just to clarify, do you believe CKD is town? Any changes in thoughts if Beli flips scum? What Let's say we lynch Beli today and he flips town. What do you think of CKD's alignment then?

I think CKD is probably town. If Beli flips town, then CKD is almost definitely town.

[TobyLoby]

Why do you think a Beli town flip = a CKD def town flip?

[acryon]

Why do you think a Beli town flip = a CKD def town flip?

I don't think scum CKD has such an incentive to defend Beli the way he did.

[Belisarius]

Why a CKD vote over Amy?

Because gin.

[farside22]

I'm in opposite land of thinking one of beli/chaos is scum.
I don't see them scum together.

Do you not think that Chaos's WKing of Beli seemed really contrived?

No.
Why do you?

Yes, and you even said this. Did you change your mind?

This last chaos post makes me really wish we had the time to get a train there going. That post is rough man. Sounds

so

contrived.

No shit.

No I was referring to his reason for voting skelda.

[farside22]

I don't understand what you are saying and how it applies to the traction of a ~4 hours before deadline wagon. Me, you, farside and ultimately Chaos were the deciding votes for last day's lynch.

@Mod: Requesting a prod of Ranon please. Thanks!

I don't know how to explain it much better than I did. But let me try like this. I'm a salesman, trying to sell a product to people. Suddenly, someone comes up and starts telling me how terrible the product is and how my sales ideas don't make sense, etc, all in front of my potential buyers. This would certainly make it almost impossible for me to sell you the product in a short period of time after you witnessed someone bashing it/questioning me so heavily. It would take some more work and extra evidence(which wasn't there yet) to get you over the perceived issues this person brought up.

I really didn't see it that way.
In hindsite I should have voted beli and pushed with my town read on skelda. I forgot how crappy I was feeling that day.

Why do you think a Beli town flip = a CKD def town flip?

I don't think scum CKD has such an incentive to defend Beli the way he did.

[acryon]

I don't understand what you are saying and how it applies to the traction of a ~4 hours before deadline wagon. Me, you, farside and ultimately Chaos were the deciding votes for last day's lynch.

@Mod: Requesting a prod of Ranon please. Thanks!

I don't know how to explain it much better than I did. But let me try like this. I'm a salesman, trying to sell a product to people. Suddenly, someone comes up and starts telling me how terrible the product is and how my sales ideas don't make sense, etc, all in front of my potential buyers. This would certainly make it almost impossible for me to sell you the product in a short period of time after you witnessed someone bashing it/questioning me so heavily. It would take some more work and extra evidence(which wasn't there yet) to get you over the perceived issues this person brought up.

I really didn't see it that way.
In hindsite I should have voted beli and pushed with my town read on skelda. I forgot how crappy I was feeling that day.

That's fine and I understand if you guys didn't see it that way, but that is how I saw it. The Beli train definitely didn't seem like it had the wheels to make it after that back and forth between me and CKD.

[TobyLoby]

i don't see ckd as totally defending beli last day. i took it more to be arguing with acyron and trying to pin him down. although, i guess he did state his belief in Beli not lying when asked about the hammer stuff, but it's not like hypothetical scum ckd could easily back off of Skelda at that point without looking awks anyway.

Why a CKD vote over Amy?

Because gin.

see, this is a problem right here.

[acryon]

Why a CKD vote over Amy?

Because gin.

see, this is a problem right here.

The thing that sucks even worse is that in my experience, most of the time these players playing crappy town are actually just crappy town -_-.

[TobyLoby]

*passes over the whiskey*

Then why are you voting him, friend?

[acryon]

*passes over the whiskey*

Then why are you voting him, friend?

Because I still think he's scum. Many times the crappy town are just crappy town, but that's not a reason to rule him out.

[Belisarius]

see, this is a problem right here.

This is the opposite of a problem ; Haven't you heard? Gin makes you win.

[TobyLoby]

You and I both know gin won't get us offa this train.

[farside22]

see, this is a problem right here.

This is the opposite of a problem ; Haven't you heard? Gin makes you win.

Your being trollish.
I'd like to see you push on who you think is scum.

[SnugglyDuckling]

I didn't die? Inconceivable!

[acryon]

I didn't die? Inconceivable!

Did you expect to die?