Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[Bins]

I'm sorry guys. I've been in bed rest all day with a really high fever.

I'm town. I don't have anything to add because I haven't read up and I really apologize for that.

[SleepyKrew]

Yeah I haven't made many pushes. How's that scummy?

How are you going to catch scum if you aren't making pushes?
And if you aren't showing an effort to catch scum despite being around a lot... what are you doing?

How come I'm the only person that's active but not scumhunting that you seem to care about

[SleepyKrew]

Okay L-2 with less than 2 days left and I'm the only big wagon so
White Queen, VT
Hood as I said earlier is with Nacho and Empking

[Nachomamma8]

I'm focused in on you in particular because you have a large wagon that's been stagnating for the majority of the game day and I'd like to decide whether to let it go through or to shut it down. I care that you aren't really scumhunting that much because the majority of your pushes (all of them??) have been shallow, which generally isn't a sign of someone genuinely pushing.

[SleepyKrew]

I don't think the two real pushes I've done (Kats and Nati) have been shallow :/

[Nachomamma8]

Kat push is shallow because it's based on Kat being anti-town: when this was challenged, you never attempted to defend it.

[Salamence20]

Okay L-2 with less than 2 days left and I'm the only big wagon so
White Queen, VT
Hood as I said earlier is with Nacho and Empking

Starlord is the white queen.
Whoooooo?

[Nachomamma8]

Nat push is shallow because it boils down to "Nat lurks as scum", which 1) isn't exactly true, she lurks plenty as town and 2) she also recently moved to chicago so is probably busy doing things with waffles.

[notscience]

I'm sorry guys. I've been in bed rest all day with a really high fever.

I'm town. I don't have anything to add because I haven't read up and I really apologize for that.

Can verify

She couldn't even play league with me

[SleepyKrew]

Kat push is shallow because it's based on Kat being anti-town: when this was challenged, you never attempted to defend it.

Would I be able to change your mind?
Plus not all of it was just about the guilty on you.

[SleepyKrew]

Nat push is shallow because it boils down to "Nat lurks as scum", which 1) isn't exactly true, she lurks plenty as town and 2) she also recently moved to chicago so is probably busy doing things with waffles.

She hasn't been moving to Chicago all of D1, and my quick meta made me think that as town, she usually at least attempts to engage during D1. I never said it was activity level.

[notscience]

Didn't we get shit last game for not sorting out the hoods inside the hoods

[Nachomamma8]

It's funny because he started townreading me when I stopped opposing his claim, and didn't say anything when I voted Nacho.
He also didn't vote me until my wagon started getting momentum. In fact, it was his vote that made my wagon exceed the wagon on his previous vote (Froot). His scumread was so strong that he was willing to abandon muffin to vote me, but only if 3 other people did first

I'm not really following this point too well.

[Nachomamma8]

Re: Nati-meta
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

As town, he characterized his play as "usually slow starts". I agree with that.

[notscience]

I don't have a wagon I want to be on atm

it's very dispapointing

[Nachomamma8]

Kat push is shallow because it's based on Kat being anti-town: when this was challenged, you never attempted to defend it.

Would I be able to change your mind?
Plus not all of it was just about the guilty on you.

Sure, you'd be able to change my mind. I don't think I'm being unreasonable about this, do you?

[SleepyKrew]

It's funny because he started townreading me when I stopped opposing his claim, and didn't say anything when I voted Nacho.
He also didn't vote me until my wagon started getting momentum. In fact, it was his vote that made my wagon exceed the wagon on his previous vote (Froot). His scumread was so strong that he was willing to abandon muffin to vote me, but only if 3 other people did first

I'm not really following this point too well.

He's voting me for my 180 wrt the guilty (he has cited the part where I voted you, not the part where I voted him again). When I initially dropped my opposition (stopped calling the guilty fake), he townread me for it. When I voted you and put you at L-1, he didn't bat an eyelash and called for a hammer instead of saying anything about me.

Re: Nati-meta
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

As town, he characterized his play as "usually slow starts". I agree with that.

*she/her
In the ~15 days of D1 in that game, she made nearly 40 posts, some of which even included *content* (this game seemed like and outlier to me actually). I know that she starts slow. That's why I metad her instead of just voting her for lurking. And while she lurks D1 as both alignments (usually, again I think the game you linked was an exception), her posts as town sometimes try to actually get into the game.

[SleepyKrew]

Kat push is shallow because it's based on Kat being anti-town: when this was challenged, you never attempted to defend it.

Would I be able to change your mind?
Plus not all of it was just about the guilty on you.

Sure, you'd be able to change my mind. I don't think I'm being unreasonable about this, do you?

"I think choosing Nacho makes it scummy"
"Actually we have a thing so it's not scummy"
How am I supposed to argue that?

[Nachomamma8]

He's voting me for my 180 wrt the guilty (he has cited the part where I voted you, not the part where I voted him again). When I initially dropped my opposition (stopped calling the guilty fake), he townread me for it. When I voted you and put you at L-1, he didn't bat an eyelash and called for a hammer instead of saying anything about me.

I see Katsuki's play before the guilty as sort of a play in reaction testing mode: most of his pushes and his play were geared towards pushing my lynch for reactions. As a result, I can see why he would call you town without really meaning it, and I can see why he wouldn't immediately call you out on a vote that he later regarded as sketchy. After reaction test is over and he's mostly considering me town, he starts looking and analyzing the wagon that formed after the fake guilty.

In the ~15 days of D1 in that game, she made nearly 40 posts, some of which even included *content* (this game seemed like and outlier to me actually). I know that she starts slow. That's why I metad her instead of just voting her for lurking. And while she lurks D1 as both alignments (usually, again I think the game you linked was an exception), her posts as town sometimes try to actually get into the game.

Her posts as town sometimes actually try to get into the game, but usually don't. So voting her for not getting into the game when she usually doesn't is a bit of a ???.

"I think choosing Nacho makes it scummy"
"Actually we have a thing so it's not scummy"
How am I supposed to argue that?

I think choosing a strong player Katsuki was afraid of would have made it scummy if he had a reasonable chance of actually getting me lynched. I think it surprised Katsuki when his bullshit fake guilty actually went through (most fake guilties are dismissed pretty readily), so when a serious wagon actually formed, it doesn't surprise me at all that he tried to make the most of it. I don't think Katsuki-scum would be happy with a 1v1 with town!Nacho (he can kill me N1 if he's that afraid of me), but I do see why Katsuki would put special emphasis on reading a friend.

[Nachomamma8]

gotta keep annoying noddy

Vote: Bins

Vote: Bins

I am sheeping Muffin because I heard he is a good player.

[notscience]

I really hope she doesn't flip out while she's sick

[Salamence20]

Nacho is scum. Fuck you sala

[Nachomamma8]

Sala is town. Fuck you nacho

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.18

Nachomamma8 [1] - Bins
Katsuki [1] - notscience
SleepyKrew [6] - Konowa, RedCoyote, Katsuki, TiphaineDeath, Desperado, Salamence20
zMuffinMan [1] - Froot Loop
Bins [5] - Brian Skies, zMuffinMan, Empking, Natirasha, Nachomamma8
Brian Skies [1] - Cho
Natirasha [1] - SleepyKrew

Not Voting [1]

- DeasVail

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

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Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

[Bins]

I really hope she doesn't flip out while she's sick

Nah, I'll accept it. I haven't done anything.

All I can really do is promise that content will go up Day 2.