NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Mirhawk]

Whoops

I'm saying that I doubt there's probably not scum in every neighborhood

This should read "I'm saying there's probably not scum in every neighborhood"

[OkaPoka]

no? I wanted to find if there were scum in this qt

[tn5421]

I don't think PV realizes that I've thought Titus was scummy all game.

[shaddowez]

That's fair, and while his posts set me a little on edge they weren't enough for me to place my vote yet.

Pretend like I'm here. I give you permission to talk to me about my posts. Which ones "set you on edge" and why?

This is a basic summary of what I didn't like:

I'm actually liking PV a little bit less after the last few pages. The setup spec has me questioning whether he's actually town not knowing where scum are, or scum pretending to not know where scum are. Even before they were outed ITT, after D1 scum knows about all the neighborhoods that they're in. It'd be easy for them to say "there's probably scum in every neighborhood" in order to force lynches from every hood, especially if that isn't the case.

Also, you gave NS a hard time about one or two line posts early in the game, but seem to like padding your post count with flooding one response at a time. I'm still not positive your scum, but you're not making a very good town case for yourself.

Briefass reads list due to time constraints:

Scumreads - Majiffy, tn
Townreads - Mirhawk, Titus, reinoe, gameplay
Unsures/leaning too slightly for me to classify just yet: Oka, PV, Muffin

I left quite a few people off, for reasons that will become obvious later.

@Mod

- Is Alina due for a prod?

[Titus]

I don't think PV realizes that I've thought Titus was scummy all game.

Please don't nightkill me for voting Mirhawk. You will need the SKs help but whatever


Have we lynched scum? No. I will just talk to the voices in my head that tell me to snoop on people because someone had to join the mob.

[Titus]

#drunkTitus

[Titus]

Mirhawk, are you British?

I'm Canadian. Canadian English uses American pronunciation for a lot of things, but usually uses British spelling.

Then, you believe that Marquis & Psyche are masons?

I seriously doubt that if one dies the other dies.

If one of them flips town, but non-Mason, do you lynch the other one?

The SK will not shoot them if they beleive the mason claim (which they shouldn't).

I believe there is a better chance of them being masons then not masons.

Neither of them are going to flip non-mason town. Why would town go along with a ridiculous gambit like that, there's no benefit. The right thing to do would be to let everyone know that the other persons full of shit. Which hasn't happened, so its not going to happen.

Also the SK has just as much of a stake in not wanting confirmed townies around in the endgame as scum do. For pretty much the same reasons too.

Once Shadow and Mirhawk of the scum-free neighborhood give us their reads, then we can see who is scum on and off the 2 town wagons of day1.

I dare you to find a single place where I've said there's no scum in my neighborhood. I'm saying that I doubt there's probably not scum in every neighborhood, those are two different things.
I have no ideas what neighborhoods contain scum and which don't.

I also have no idea what information you're trying to portray with these votecounts.

Wait mirhawk makes a lot of sense.

Mirhawk posts a LOT in the neigborhood and ever since day 1 he was talking about a scum free neighborhood implying our neighborhood.

But how would he know about more than one neighborhood?

Also mirhawk seems to be on a fullscale whiteknight oka spree.

But pv is still scummier.

Is this for real?

YOU were the one saying you thought our neighborhood was scum free not me. I distinctly remember telling you (on more than one occasion) that there was no guarantee that the members of the neighborhood were town.

As for the whiteknighting, yeah I'm doing that. I don't plan on stopping either so get used to it.

gameplay is scum for not reading

This post sucks.
Path of least effort / implying Titus is scum.

Stop whiteknighting me. Yo!

[Alina]

am i still in the game or have i been replaced

[notscience]

You're still here

[PeregrineV]

I don't think scum would want to lynch within their hood since Poe. Especially not in marqui' situation because his being scum woul lead to a chain lynch of psyche.

Then when I flip town, what will be your stance on Marquis the non-Mason?

[PeregrineV]

Wait mirhawk makes a lot of sense.

Mirhawk posts a LOT in the neigborhood and ever since day 1 he was talking about a scum free neighborhood implying our neighborhood.

But how would he know about more than one neighborhood?

Did he bring up multiple neighborhoods in the QT before it was said in the thread?

[Alina]

Sweet. Okay, sorry for not being on. I lost my laptop charger and...yeah. That wasn't a very fortunate occurrence. I'll try catch up on the 30 something pages when I get back tonight x.x since I'mma leave in like...15 mins. Anything in particular I should be looking for? Like, you know, how Oka apparently hasn't been killed yet.

[PeregrineV]

Mirhawk, are you British?

I'm Canadian. Canadian English uses American pronunciation for a lot of things, but usually uses British spelling.

Then, you believe that Marquis & Psyche are masons?

I seriously doubt that if one dies the other dies.

If one of them flips town, but non-Mason, do you lynch the other one?

The SK will not shoot them if they beleive the mason claim (which they shouldn't).

I believe there is a better chance of them being masons then not masons.

OK. Maybe they could paraphrase their QT for the last 2 nights.

Neither of them are going to flip non-mason town. Why would town go along with a ridiculous gambit like that, there's no benefit. The right thing to do would be to let everyone know that the other persons full of shit. Which hasn't happened, so its not going to happen.

Ummmmm. I don't even know how to respond to this. If one does flip non-Mason town, I guess you'll go a little bit insane.

Also the SK has just as much of a stake in not wanting confirmed townies around in the endgame as scum do. For pretty much the same reasons too.

It's still different. If the SK is investigation immune, then confirmed town means nothing, they are avoiding the lynch. If they are BP, then leaving the mafia alive means nothing, they are avoiding the NK.
SK will play based on how they are set up.
I prefer mine with II and at LEAST one shot BP if not full BP.
Not sure how Wake likes his.

Once Shadow and Mirhawk of the scum-free neighborhood give us their reads, then we can see who is scum on and off the 2 town wagons of day1.

I dare you to find a single place where I've said there's no scum in my neighborhood. I'm saying that I doubt there's probably not scum in every neighborhood, those are two different things.
I have no ideas what neighborhoods contain scum and which don't.

I am speculating there is one in each.
You want to speculate there is not.
Fine.
Which one does not contain scum?
You can say you don't know.
Fine.
I say, who are your scumreads (and why). We then look at your scumreads and see what neighborhood they are in. (hint: 3669)
You answer, then we go from there.

I also have no idea what information you're trying to portray with these votecounts.

Wagons are made up of scum or town. You look at wagons on town, and try to determine who is town that wanted to lynch who they thought were scum, and who is scum mislynching town. As town voters on the wagon are identified, it increases the likelihood that the remaining players are scum.

[PeregrineV]

Sweet. Okay, sorry for not being on. I lost my laptop charger and...yeah. That wasn't a very fortunate occurrence. I'll try catch up on the 30 something pages when I get back tonight x.x since I'mma leave in like...15 mins. Anything in particular I should be looking for? Like, you know, how Oka apparently hasn't been killed yet.

I speculate scum in the neighborhoods. Working on getting scumreads from people. Marquis claims masons with Psyche. Muffin continues to stab people.

[Alina]

I'd assume considering that there are 3 neighborhoods there's at least 1 scum in at least one of them. There might be an all town one, but I doubt that there are two all town neighborhoods. I suppose I should probably look at that after Oka is finally killed. Yeah - they claimed I think a lil bit before I vanished. And what do you mean by stab people lol? Is he finally doing something?

[notscience]

Sweet. Okay, sorry for not being on. I lost my laptop charger and...yeah. That wasn't a very fortunate occurrence. I'll try catch up on the 30 something pages when I get back tonight x.x since I'mma leave in like...15 mins. Anything in particular I should be looking for? Like, you know, how Oka apparently hasn't been killed yet.

Idk my eyes have been glazing lately

[Alina]

are you still voting oka

if not why not

[tn5421]

my mind has glazed over.

[Majiffy]

oh majiffy is scum

it's going to be hard to lynch him though :/

Majiffy is a mason with Psyche.

No that's Marquis/Psyches' claim. That conveniently occurred after I called them both out as scum.

Im pretty sure shadow or mirhawk is scum.

Im leaning on shadow more though.

Shadow is town as shit by virtue of having been town as shit in the past.

Omg I havent read like 10 pages so far. Omg someone sum up the mostbimportant things

PV spammed a lot.

Mirhawk, are you British?

I'm Canadian. Canadian English uses American pronunciation for a lot of things, but usually uses British spelling.

Nah you guys pronounce a lot of shit weird.

I think the only place in America that speaks like Canadians is Minnesota.

Scumreads - Majiffy

[Majiffy]

Sweet. Okay, sorry for not being on. I lost my laptop charger and...yeah. That wasn't a very fortunate occurrence. I'll try catch up on the 30 something pages when I get back tonight x.x since I'mma leave in like...15 mins. Anything in particular I should be looking for? Like, you know, how Oka apparently hasn't been killed yet.

Idk my eyes have been glazing lately

Lately? You have a stronger resolve than I.

[PeregrineV]

@Majiffy

- Is there scum in the neighborhoods?

[Majiffy]

I don't know or care. But probably.

[PeregrineV]

I don't know or care. But probably.

One in each? Or is there a scum free neighborhood?

[Majiffy]

I don't know or care. But probably.

[PeregrineV]

I don't know or care. But probably.

If you did care, what do you think?