Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[Thor665]

Good point.

@Mod - do abilitycops have the ability to detect factional powers upon investigation? You may ignore the previous question.

[Thor665]

Like, if the answer is 'yes' then we can have a different conversation.
But with a 'no' then it means Lynx is voting someone while claiming they are scum with both a faction kill and an inherent kill - and it means Kthx is a gawd terrible player if town.

Also, on the presumption that Kthx isn't just pure terrible - since I know my role, and I can't redirect anything, a scum redirecting power requires Lynx to be the liar. And it also means that unless Lynx wants to start debating that Ansuz is scum with a kill and factional kill, that lynx should be voting me like crazy right now.

[Thor665]

But, while we're at it, if he could detect factional powers he probably should have detected you could vote or something, y'know?

I mean, my vote and my other power are *both* listed under abilities. So why is he getting "one word answers" when, by definition, if he can detect abilities a vote is listed as an ability?

[Konowa]

But I'm thinking scum night kill = 'killing' ability. You forget that one scum does the killing, and when its down to last scum, they get that ability.

Referring to this?

[Thor665]

Heck, my wits are listed as an ability.
Maybe none of the rest of you got that?
That would explain a lot. [/sarcasm]

[Thor665]

But I'm thinking scum night kill = 'killing' ability. You forget that one scum does the killing, and when its down to last scum, they get that ability.

Referring to this?

I'm referring to a lot of stuff, that is indeed one of the items I have discussed.

[Konowa]

Honestly, Konowa thinks Lynx is just not that good of a player and has several times posted things that are par for the course that would make sense with the post Konowa just quoted.

[Thor665]

The best I can translate that is 'you don't think he's clever enough to have fakeclaimed' am I reading that right?

Could you address voting = ability please?

[Konowa]

Yes.

Mod design as its inherent for everyone.

[Konowa]

The point might be arguable if there was a comparison to a known flipped Vanilla or Goon, but there is none.

Which means Konowa will probably comb Mantis' ISO next to see if there is anything.

[Thor665]

Any particular reason you say that? Basically everyone was claimed and he was under pressure at that point.

Mod design? It is not inherent for everyone if you're telling the truth about your role, and as proven by yourself and the mod a few phases back.

[Thor665]

I wasn't able to find anything useful from mantis when I looked.

[Konowa]

Voting is not inherent? Is Konowa reading that correctly?

[Thor665]

All I'm saying is it is listed as an ability in my role PM.
Feel free to draw from that what you can or choose to.

My investigation on Ansuz returned "killing ability".

I literally get one word summing up their ability. Ansuz was 'killing'

As long as you're combing things.

Use your 'Wits' ability is all I'm saying.

[LynxKuroneko]

:/ Such friendly banter.

[Konowa]

Is listed in Konowa's as well. Which is why Konowa thinks it's inherent and so OBV that fferyllt decided not to include it. Which is why Konowa said if there was a investigative result on a known Vanilla flip the argument would hold some weight perhaps, but as it is it doesn't.

Lynx, why Ansuz over Thor? Does Lynx disagree with the sentiment that "killing ability" likely means vig rather than scum as the ability cop role probably has something to do with active abilities. Konowa's role is active, Vig is active. Scum having the ability to kill is more of a passive ability, Konowa would argue. Again, there is only the two results to go off of so.

NACHO, post please.

[fferyllt]

Good point.

@Mod - do abilitycops have the ability to detect factional powers upon investigation? You may ignore the previous question.

yes.

[Konowa]

Konowa is talking out loud.

Probably 3v1 now so Konowa wouldn't be opposed to a No Lynch, but thinks Nacho would be killed and leave Konowa in the same position Tomorrow.
Konowa doesn't think 2v1v1 due to zero deaths N1 and single kills other Nights.

Makes Konowa think Ansuz is likely Town.

Lynx, some actual input would be nice.

Like, if the answer is 'yes' then we can have a different conversation.

What's the different conversation? Konowa is truly lost.

Mostly Konowa is killing time before Nacho deems to grace us with Nacho's presence.

[Thor665]

Unvote

[Thor665]

I may hate your setup, ffrey.

[Thor665]

Basically if people suck at playing than Ansuz is scum.
If people do not suck than Lynx is scum.

I dislike this.

[Thor665]

@Konowa - I do not think Kthx is derp enough to claim one hide and than do a random one. I don't know Ger from Adam, but though I believe Kthx likes to be clever he's not anti-town enough to do that. Do you have any play experience with him that suggests otherwise?

[Thor665]

I think I like that idea, because then if I'm wrong I can blame other players for playing badly.

Basically Konowa is confirmed town right now, because with a factional detect he would have a killing power if Lynx was town.
So whoop-dee-doo, my read is right.

For Ansuz to be scum he would need to have a killing power *in addition* to other scum killing powers and *also* Kthx would need to have decided to play like a derp and pro-scum lackwit.
I tend to believe he's a better man than that.
Also, scum with extra killing abilities is kind of dumb.

For Lynx to be scum everyone needs to have done exactly what they said and Lynx needs to have a scum redirection ability.
This annoys me about Ger's claim and flip, because they don't match up, so that his claim is more true and his flip is shoddy on the mod's part in my opinion.
But it also means that other players weren't playing pro-scum, which is a nice thought. Also, Ger may just have not taken his shot, which is annoying, but not as annoying as some alternatives.
But this does require a redirector who can redirect a hider - which...is also slightly annoying to me.
But no weirder than factional ability detection.
Which, if he has it, he *should* be seeing the vote ability, that is a factional ability regardless.

Vote: Lynx

@Konowa - I'm fine with a no lynch if you want it, but I think it's a move of the weak and dumb. Besides, you're confirmed town now, so it's even dumber.
Your move.

[Thor665]

All I'm saying is it is listed as an ability in my role PM.
Feel free to draw from that what you can or choose to.

My investigation on Ansuz returned "killing ability".

I literally get one word summing up their ability. Ansuz was 'killing'

As long as you're combing things.

Use your 'Wits' ability is all I'm saying.

This and him not claiming to see votes is now my case.
Discuss.

[Thor665]

Also, while we're at it - if the mod is really giving "one word" summing up the ability *and* the mod claims that factional abilities would be shown...that would make it impossible to get functional investigates from most of the players.

Like, do one word for a Bodyguard/Inventor - I'll wait.
Or do one word for a scum with any ability beyond killing.
Or for whatever the fug Ger's role was.

I feel this is open and shut.