Open 566: Murder on the Oriental Express (Game Over)

Riddleton · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:17 am

In post 810, Titus wrote:VOTE: Chaoslord

Keeping wagons up for vca.

Hello Titus,

Do you have any useful content for us yet? What are your reads?

Amy Farrah Fowler · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:17 am

In post 824, TobyLoby wrote:Amy. Do you think that comment of Beli seems townie, or townier than Beli-usual to you?

Um... neither. It's just a post made by Beli. I'm pointing out that he may have done his case some favours and made it townie if he had gone about it a better way. But put this way I'd say it hasn't got much behind it.

Riddleton · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:18 am

In post 806, curiouskarmadog wrote:
Riddle I dont have time to go back and forth between your post and the numbers you are posting. can you please repost the quotes you are referencing with your questions.

1) CTRL+ Click "ISO" by one of your posts
2) CTRL + F one of the post numbers I mentioned

..?

Belisarius · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:33 am

In post 817, TobyLoby wrote:The other point I'm also getting at, is that you based your vote on (scum) Amy listing one scum between you, Chaos, or CKD. Instead of voting for scum Amy herself, you voted for a possible association with Amy.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, and I wasn't as certain of my scumread as you seem to believe.

If I'd seen something scummier before the buddying solidified my read, I would have changed my vote. Since that didn't happen, vote stands. It's not mysterious. It was that or sit in the not voting pile until I had an enormous wagon on me and everything I do looks self-serving.

In post 819, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:why are you so certain you'll be gone?

I'm not a precog, I'm just reading the gamestate. It's going to be me or Chaos for sure today, and I sure as hell ain't voting Chaos even to save my own life -- he might vote me to save himself; hence, I'm the more likely to eat rope today.

A flashwagon on CKD would be nice, but it's not my birthday.

farside22 · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:32 pm

In post 828, Belisarius wrote:
In post 817, TobyLoby wrote:The other point I'm also getting at, is that you based your vote on (scum) Amy listing one scum between you, Chaos, or CKD. Instead of voting for scum Amy herself, you voted for a possible association with Amy.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, and I wasn't as certain of my scumread as you seem to believe.

If I'd seen something scummier before the buddying solidified my read, I would have changed my vote. Since that didn't happen, vote stands. It's not mysterious. It was that or sit in the not voting pile until I had an enormous wagon on me and everything I do looks self-serving.

In post 819, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:why are you so certain you'll be gone?

I'm not a precog, I'm just reading the gamestate. It's going to be me or Chaos for sure today, and I sure as hell ain't voting Chaos even to save my own life --
he might vote me to save himself;
hence, I'm the more likely to eat rope today.

A flashwagon on CKD would be nice, but it's not my birthday.

Why do you think a player you are town reading would do the bold?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:18 pm

jesus. i got no time for this before I leave. the amount of crap..just utter nonsense in the past 3 pages is crazy.

Bel if you are town..you are a horrible fucking player. I mean really bad.

people like you are the reason I stopped playing this game.

if you are scum....well ignore this.

if you are/flip town, I will never join a game with you again.

just horrible.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:20 pm

In post 827, Riddleton wrote:
In post 806, curiouskarmadog wrote:
Riddle I dont have time to go back and forth between your post and the numbers you are posting. can you please repost the quotes you are referencing with your questions.

1) CTRL+ Click "ISO" by one of your posts
2) CTRL + F one of the post numbers I mentioned

..?

so you are not going to help me out?...fine, I will do it when I get back.

Belisarius · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:22 pm

In post 829, farside22 wrote:Why do you think a player you are town reading would do the bold?

He's read his role PM. He hasn't read mine. Mathematically, it's the sensible course of action.

Belisarius · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:22 pm

In post 829, farside22 wrote:Why do you think a player you are town reading would do the bold?

He's read his role PM. He hasn't read mine. Mathematically, it's the sensible course of action.

Riddleton · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:26 pm

In post 831, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 827, Riddleton wrote:
In post 806, curiouskarmadog wrote:
Riddle I dont have time to go back and forth between your post and the numbers you are posting. can you please repost the quotes you are referencing with your questions.

1) CTRL+ Click "ISO" by one of your posts
2) CTRL + F one of the post numbers I mentioned

..?

so you are not going to help me out?...fine, I will do it when I get back.

I will help you out; I just don't understand why you can't do what is specified above.

Hang on, I'll get the links shortly.

Riddleton · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:38 pm

In post 830, curiouskarmadog wrote:jesus. i got no time for this before I leave. the amount of crap..just utter nonsense in the past 3 pages is crazy.

Bel if you are town..you are a horrible fucking player. I mean really bad.

people like you are the reason I stopped playing this game.

if you are scum....well ignore this.

if you are/flip town, I will never join a game with you again.

just horrible.

Chill out, it's only a game.

Even if Beli flips town, shit happens. I, personally, wouldn't blacklist someone because they acted badly in a game.

TobyLoby · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:52 pm

In post 826, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:
In post 824, TobyLoby wrote:Amy. Do you think that comment of Beli seems townie, or townier than Beli-usual to you?

Um... neither. It's just a post made by Beli. I'm pointing out that he may have done his case some favours and made it townie if he had gone about it a better way. But put this way I'd say it hasn't got much behind it.

idk. Your suggestion is based on an action that there is some basis of being town in it. That doing it in greater quantities and in a better way (whatever that is) would result in townie reads among people. It has to start at town-something basis.

What did you hope to accomplish by telling him that?

Riddle, can you quote what you're referring to in the first post of CKDs? That one in particular wasn't obvious.

TobyLoby · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:06 pm

@Everyone:

Why do you think Dry-fit was killed?

Riddleton · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:14 pm

In post 837, TobyLoby wrote:
@Everyone:
Why do you think Dry-fit was killed?

I'm not particularly interested in dwelling on NK speculation.

TobyLoby · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:30 pm

you don't deal with a lot of any speculation, man.

Riddle, that quote.

Baezu · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:40 pm

Vote Count 2.06RoyalApe: (1) NakedJogger

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Belisarius: (5) Amy Farrah Fowler, acryon, scrambles, Riddleton, TobyLoby
Curiouskarmadog : (1) Belisarius
Chaoslord54: (3) Farside22, Curiouskarmadog , Titus

Not Voting: RoyalApe, Chaoslord54

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-26 16:55:00)

Mod Notes:
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TobyLoby · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:47 pm

In post 828, Belisarius wrote:
I'm not a precog, I'm just reading the gamestate. It's going to be me or Chaos for sure today, and I sure as hell ain't voting Chaos even to save my own life -- he might vote me to save himself; hence, I'm the more likely to eat rope today.

A flashwagon on CKD would be nice, but it's not my birthday.

In post 832, Belisarius wrote:
In post 829, farside22 wrote:Why do you think a player you are town reading would do the bold?

He's read his role PM. He hasn't read mine. Mathematically, it's the sensible course of action.

Doesn't it make sense for you to vote Chaos to save your own life by your own logic and given the position you're in?

TobyLoby · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:07 pm

Or rather, make sense for you to at least hold that option open.

acryon · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:38 am

In post 837, TobyLoby wrote:
@Everyone:
Why do you think Dry-fit was killed?

Probably because his posts had actual content, and he wasn't really generating suspicion. Looking back over his ISO, seems like a pretty cookie-cutter NK.

Titus · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:14 am

I hold nk analysis for later. I have zero intent of rocking the boat so close to deadline. I am keeping a wagon other than Beli viable to force players to choose.

farside22 · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:47 am

In post 844, Titus wrote:I hold nk analysis for later. I have zero intent of rocking the boat so close to deadline. I am keeping a wagon other than Beli viable to force players to choose.

So you think chaos is scum? Or you don't think Beli's is scum?

Belisarius · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:38 am

In post 841, TobyLoby wrote:
In post 828, Belisarius wrote:
I'm not a precog, I'm just reading the gamestate. It's going to be me or Chaos for sure today, and I sure as hell ain't voting Chaos even to save my own life -- he might vote me to save himself; hence, I'm the more likely to eat rope today.

A flashwagon on CKD would be nice, but it's not my birthday.

In post 832, Belisarius wrote:
In post 829, farside22 wrote:Why do you think a player you are town reading would do the bold?

He's read his role PM. He hasn't read mine. Mathematically, it's the sensible course of action.

Doesn't it make sense for you to vote Chaos to save your own life by your own logic and given the position you're in?

Yes, it does. But I'm not going to play by mathematics alone. Sometimes you gotta throw out the rulebook or you're just letting scum call the tune. Right now I'm doing what feels viscerally right without being conscious of what my brain is telling me. It's paradox, not contradiction, and I fucking love paradox .

farside22 · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:48 am

Someone who doesn't think chaos/beli are scum together need to sell me on scum motivation from beli not looking to self preserve

Belisarius · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:53 am

Well, I think we're both town, so I suppose I qualify: camouflage.

Seriously, enough with the WK'ing unless you're CKD's blood relative as well as his scumbuddy

Titus · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:21 am

In post 845, farside22 wrote:
In post 844, Titus wrote:I hold nk analysis for later. I have zero intent of rocking the boat so close to deadline. I am keeping a wagon other than Beli viable to force players to choose.

So you think chaos is scum? Or you don't think Beli's is scum?

Deliberately not making an opinion. I am forcing those in the game who have read and pushed theorues to decide.