Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[Thor665]

Then there's this and Konowa doesn't know what to think of Lynxscum listing buddies as one and two on scumlist.

Like that early list is pretty good but is it inside knowledge slipping or just good reading by Town?

This is, actually, I think the best argument for Lynx town, and is a prime reason I admitted I wasn't assessing votes.

If I had to try to describe it as a scum action it would be based on noting that his next action was to vote for Gameplay/Thor suggesting that the list was not particularly meaningful of anything. That's for you to assess in how you understand his meta though.

[Ansuz]

Nacho has access to a laptop and will stop playing like shit.

[Ansuz]

So, as far as role-relating scumhunting goes:

I am not told who shot me. I am told I was shot. Then instead of dying right away during the night, I die in the end of the day. Simple as that. It isn't actually a safe scum claim cus if someone really hits me I will obviously die. So. Yeah push me more scums.

This makes a lot of sense to me in a game with an expected (funny it didn't happen that way, but still expected) three deaths N1. There are a lot of roles that make that high death rate a little more painless (hider, doctor, bodyguard) and this role seems a nice addition if ffery's trying to go with a mostly power role setup with positive town utility but not town utility that scum can't deal with. Considering gameplay wasn't fed this fakeclaim, it would be a pretty impressive fakeclaim.

[Ansuz]

Konowa's role as scum has him having the vote-altering god abilities in addition to a redirecting ability which is possible in this setup sure but that's strange and fucked up but it makes most sense to function as a negative utility role for town.

[Ansuz]

Universal backup fits in a mostly vanillaless game but is also swingy as fuck when it seems most power roles are either A) useless or B) strong as fuck. It makes less sense in a game with a hider who should die pretty early if they are playing well: doctor/bodyguard getting backed up is also stupidly strong as well.

[Ansuz]

What holds me back from voting Lynx is Lynx's Day 1 play and Lynx's Day 1 play alone. I was reading it as pretty strongly town when it happened although that town cred has been pretty much been burned to the ground based on Lynx's later play, which I legitimately hate.

[LynxKuroneko]

1) I can't explain why I got Mantis's ability. Ask Mod Lady.

2) Not sure how that incriminated me, Konowa. I did realize B_E was Josh's scapegoat, but would he do that to both? Note how he was quite easy to move away from the B_E wagon?

3) Nobody else bothered by Thor's lack of willingness to divulge his role info?

[Konowa]

Lynx, Konowa thinks it is because JoshB was pushing Lynx so hard that when Lynx flipped scum there was "no way JoshB could be scum with Lynx" is what is bugging Konowa. The push on Lynx from JoshB was pretty artificial as Konowa was pointing out when JoshB was doing so. Konowa is starting to think it was artificial because Lynx is scum with JoshB.

Finally, people are starting to makes some sense. Gameplay, you seem to have developed a hint of panic, which quite honestly isn't a surprise. While I'm not a fan of HighShroomish, your reaction says quite enough.

Vote: gameplay506

If the other townies feel that HighShroomish (or anyone else on my scum radar) are stronger reads at this point, then we shall discuss why and vote accordingly.

Looking back this is pretty awkwardly worded/stated.

[LynxKuroneko]

1) It got him lynched, so... I hardly feel that would ever count as good scum play.

2) Is it? Why? I had more than one scum read and made it clear that I was willing to vote for either. I didn't adopt a defeatist attitude like Josh did (oh, too bad we didn't lynch B_E), which just doesn't look right, especially now that we know what we know.

So, Konowa. You don't see Thor or Ansuz as the potential final scum?

[Konowa]

Konowa doesn't see Ansuz as the final scum.

Konowa is still trying to sort Lynx and Thor.

[LynxKuroneko]

What do you think of the fact that Thor refuses to give any information about his role(s)?

[Konowa]

Konowa thinks that gameplay already claimed what the role the slot is.

Konowa thinks the role could be fit both Town or Scum.

Konowa is paranoid of the beard, didn't like gameplay's play.

Konowa wants to think about redirector roles. Are they considered bastard and need to be claimed as such?

Konowa is taking Konowa's time.

[LynxKuroneko]

Can you answer why my 169 is awkwardly worded?

[Thor665]

Konowa is forgetting Konowa's preview post addendum.

Lynx, for the third time, doesn't address the 'already claimed' thing, despite harping on it.

[Thor665]

And, upon review, a redirector is not considered normal, but is also not listed as bastard anywhere either.
This is a Coney Island game and is thus allowed significant exceptions from Normal, so it is well within the mod's purview to include a redirecting role without a warning.
Thor is unsure why Thor is doing the research on this, and Thor is also unsure why Konowa didn't find the odd five minutes to do the work for Konowa's self.
Ansuz may have been lying about his sub-par play becoming not sub-par.

[LynxKuroneko]

:/

[Konowa]

It was next on Konowa's to-do List, Thor. Konowa wasn't sure if it was bastard or not and was talking out loud at that point.

Lynx it is awkwardly worded because it has a feel of "hey this guy that no one is paying much attention to, Lynx thinks is scummy so Lynx is throwing out this read and moving on and if people think this guy is scummy it can be talked about later".

[Konowa]

Preview, etc, etc.

[Thor665]

It was next on Konowa's to-do List, Thor. Konowa wasn't sure if it was bastard or not and was talking out loud at that point.

Eh. By the time you're typing it out you could just be researching it. Playstyle debate really, but I'm starting to feel like the only person putting work into this game and am getting fighty because of it.

You're still forgetting your preview addendum.
You haven't slipped again yet, but you were trying to avoid it via the addendum.

[LynxKuroneko]

You're the only one? I came to the conclusion that Ansuz was last scum ages ago, but you're mostly just making me feel like you could be it, too. Go figure.

[Thor665]

Yes, I am the only one putting work into this game currently - the last few pages may serve as an easy reference of this fact.

[Thor665]

I mean even just look at that - the first post made in 24 hours, I am here to respond and comment on it within 4 minutes. Prior to that I was the last post.
I've done all the setup analysis today.
All of it.
I've pushed my case and asked for others to asses - no one else has.
I've argued for certain players to be confirmed as town - no one else has even been willing to talk about my conclusions there.

Yes, I am it.
Welcome to the party.

[LynxKuroneko]

I did asses. Try reading. I'm certain Ansuz is final scum, as all three of us have decided Konowa is most likely town due to Konowa's restriction conditions.

Is there a chance that Ansuz is a scum-vig? It would explain his comfortable claim and "killing" result (if assuming normal night kill isn't result-producing).

[LynxKuroneko]

Would also explain all the protective roles, hider and backup presence (being able to gain Ascetic and Vig from scum death).

[LynxKuroneko]

I didn't want to bring this up anymore, but this IS my first real mafia game. I've tried to mostly observe how people play and the way of things on here. And I've learned that everyone's crazy. So there's my approach to endgame. :/