Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[Thor665]

Like, your play was scummier, and I said as much...but it literally made no sense for you to be scum with the info available. This frustrates me.

[Thor665]

So you did have a redirect power then? That an ability cop couldn't detect?
Because otherwise I hate the players.

Yes and I guess so? We probably showed as killing because she didn't investigate us until we were the last one remaining

@Ffrey - hate you.

[Thor665]

It wasn't OP-ed until you were also investigation immune.

[Thor665]

Well "half" investigation immune.

[LynxKuroneko]

Can it be a scum claim when the game's over? >_< At that point its scum triumphant celebration.

Any feedback on my play? :/

[Thor665]

A full one would have been fine, but half? Very frustrated.

[Ansuz]

No it was pretty OP. We made Ger shoot himself and redirected kthx to ourselves

[Thor665]

Can it be a scum claim when the game's over? >_< At that point its scum triumphant celebration.

Any feedback on my play? :/

You were okay - but try to be clear when making claim commentary. When you claimed a result of "killing role" and then claimed that your result was "killing" it twigged me on you.
You should have always used the correct terminology - whichever it was, it would have helped your claim.

[LynxKuroneko]

I hate being right and not knowing how to be not wrong... How could I have proven Ansuz was scum given the circumstance?

At least you were right about redirection, not that it was disputed.

[Thor665]

No it was pretty OP. We made Ger shoot himself and redirected kthx to ourselves

Clearly...but I FIGURED THAT OUT.

The issue was the role interactions leading me to a false conclusion DESPITE that.

[LynxKuroneko]

Okay, I will only say this one last time. I said "killing ability".

[Thor665]

Redirecting to self target is a little dumb, but inconsequential really.

[Thor665]

Okay, I will only say this one last time. I said "killing ability".

You did say that.
You also said "killing"

That was the issue.

[LynxKuroneko]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6229329

Then I can't help you, considering your issue was different just before.

[Thor665]

I literally get one word summing up their ability. Ansuz was 'killing'

First off, you didn't get one word at any point, which was weird enough for you to then say one word when you openly claimed it wasn't one word, but regardless; you should have said "killing ability" and, theoretically for Konowa should have said "vote altering ability".
It's not an 'oh dear gawd' but it was an issue for me and I said as much at the time.

[Thor665]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6229329

Then I can't help you, considering your issue was different just before.

I will agree again that you said that - I never said you didn't.

[Untrod Tripod]

so wait

a redirect worked on the hider?

[Thor665]

That is annoying, but something I reasoned out - the issue is that the redirector was half investigation immune.

[Desperado]

I wasn't sure it would work either but Nacho insisted we try

GG everyone!

[LynxKuroneko]

I didn't want to admit to getting one-word abilities because I wanted Ansuz to say something against that - which he did - which cemented him as final scum. Guess that type of thing only really works when, you know, I'm not on the scum list.

Points to me for lynching / voting all three scum! Whee!

[Thor665]

I didn't want to admit to getting one-word abilities because I wanted Ansuz to say something against that - which he did - which cemented him as final scum. Guess that type of thing only really works when, you know, I'm not on the scum list.

Where did you point out that you had caught him by this trick? I do not remember it.

[Untrod Tripod]

That is annoying, but something I reasoned out - the issue is that the redirector was half investigation immune.

there's nothing in the rule set about NAR, but


Copy
Hide
Bus
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect


is the usual setup. so.

HIDERS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOODNIGHT

[LynxKuroneko]

Around here:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6241741

I guess it wasn't effective for the purpose of making a case, but it sealed the deal for me anyway (though I thought he was final scum since d3x's will).

[Thor665]

We all know this.
I agree it's dumb and said so in my setup spec.
That said - I was still able to figure that out and *still* was mislead by the setup info. That's the issue with the setup. As long as it can be reasoned it's not such a bad thing because the mod never claimed that NAR would be followed, so it is not a failure of the setup.

[Thor665]

Around here:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6241741

I guess it wasn't effective for the purpose of making a case, but it sealed the deal for me anyway (though I thought he was final scum since d3x's will).

In that case my critique of your play is that, when you catch scum via a gambit, you should explain the gambit and how it caught scum to the other players instead of not doing that.