In post 817, Dyslexicon wrote: In post 586, shaddowez wrote:dys
- I'm still thinking scum on her, though possibly not as strongly as before. Based on ISO's, I could see an acryon/dys scum team though.
In post 712, shaddowez wrote:I still like my Dys vote, but really don't see her being scum with Acryon, who is my next highest scum read.
In post 811, shaddowez wrote:Since Phil and acryon were the two viable wagons, since I moved my vote off Dys I'm going to move it to who I see as her partner.
Actually, shadow, I'd like you to take me through your thought process on these changes here.
I have my thoughts, but I'd like to hear your's^^
In post 811, shaddowez wrote:
A couple of reasons - while I never did a "rating" system, when I first did my reads list I did feel acryon was scummier than Phil. My read on Phil is partly PoE, and based more on his lack of scum hunting and following up on things. My read on acryon is actually based on things he is saying/how he is saying them, along with his interactions with other people. Additionally, I'm still suspicious of Dys (where my vote was before I moved it), and I see Dys/acryon being a more likely team than Dys/Phil. Since Phil and acryon were the two viable wagons, since I moved my vote off Dys I'm going to move it to who I see as her partner.
In post 819, Dyslexicon wrote: In post 816, shaddowez wrote:Dys
- I should have said "who I more likely see as her partner". In the line just above where you bolded I said I see you as a more likely team, not outright saying that you are. I have liked what you've been saying lately, but I'll have to do a more complete reread to see if you still look scummy to me or not.
I'd still prefer an acryon lynch over a Phil lynch toDay.
That ok, but you're kind of using it as a relevant point. When if you "really don't see us being scum together" it's not really a relevant point, imo.
I'm going to start at the end here and work my way backwards, I believe. While I didn't
need
to move my vote, I was the only vote on you, and I don't believe that anybody else was going to move on to you when both acryon and Phil were at L-2 and there were other people ready to move on to either wagon. Rather than have my vote sit on you, who I was still reading as scum, I decided to move it to one of the other wagons. As I said before, I was willing to move to either as a compromise, but since both were in the same position I moved to the scummier of my reads. Since we
know
that there are two scum alive, and I had a total of three scum reads (you/Phil/acryon), if I was reading you as scum one one of acryon/Phil could also be scum. Even though I was finding it difficult to see you as a scum team with acryon, there was no possible way I saw you as a scum team with Phil. I also didn't really see an acryon/Phil team, although in retrospect I suppose I could have been looking at that harder (null point now). That is why I went from saying that even though I didn't see you as a team in
712, I was comfortable saying that I saw acryon as a possible partner in
811 (clarified wording in
816). Would it have looked more town to you if I moved my vote off of you, a scum read, on to acryon, and just said that I don't see you and Phil as partners?
Now, on to why my scum read lessened on you. The following are all from after my initial reads post. I liked your posts
619 and
621. Everything in it seems genuine, and you're trying to engage people, which is good. I also like the fact that you're willing to take arguments against yourself, even those you don't like, and look at them objectively, relative to yourself and others commenting on them. You have a reads list in
636 in response to Thor, but except for Phil, who we all know is your top scum read, you don't give any explanations. Granted Thor is town reading Phil, so that would be who you need to explain the most about, but it still seems like tunneling. Your jabs on Thor in that post, and in a few of your subsequent posts, made me uneasy, as well as you saying you'd compromise lynch Blair without saying much about her.
707 was also nice, but I wasn't fond of this quote:
In post 707, Dyslexicon wrote:I thought it was scummy at first especially the weight he gave it (well that is weird still, but), I don't really see it as a scum point anymore.
You had definitely put in what I considered more effort and less things that I took as scummy, but I wasn't fully convinced yet. That's why in
712 I was still comfortable with my vote, but had less of a scum read on you than in my first read.
Now that acryon has flipped town, I'm actually willing to move you to null/lean town. I still do
not
see a Dys/Phil team, and I definitely still see Phil as scummy. You've been continuing to push and ask questions, and even though it seems you're tunnelling on Phil at least you're giving arguments too, not just saying "sheep me" or "vote Phil, he's scum". I'm not sure who I think Phil's partner would be right now, but that's something I'll look into more.
In post 861, Phillammon wrote:I'm not sure what the problem is here. If scum wanted to (and weren't already on the wagon) they could have quickhammered. That act would have made it INCREDIBLY obvious that they were scum, however, and I refuse to believe that this hypothetical scum would not have realized this.
Does this mean you do or don't think scum was already on the wagon? Considering there's two scum and four people were on the wagon, what do you think the odds are that neither or only one was on the wagon? This is a very WIFOM-laced post IMO.
Thor
- Considering the flip and everything that's happened since, do you still have a town read on Phil? If so, why, and who but Blair do you think is scummy?
