Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Josh_B]

Dunno about that one, but

your response to me was a scumclaim

. More on why in a bit because I'm phoneposting right now.

In the meanwhile, give me your opinion on peabody's recent posts like I asked you to.

Explain this more, actually let Shinobi explain it. He's the one that started it.

[Josh_B]

-snip-

I don't like BBT's push on Dave either, so we're on the same page with that-
Peabody, why did you vote for NPAU?
I also liked Dave's response, still on the same page.
I think BBT pointed out a townslip, not a scumslip. I'm null on that pending future interactions/non interactions.
This question "Wait... BBT, is dave town?" seems like natural thought progression. Second guessing himself to the means of "am I assigning feelings to BBT that aren't true?"

I didn't like Josh's hop onto MS near the end of deadline. I didn't like his self-vote.

What do you think I should have done? It's obvious that we took different actions. I moved my vote to someone that I thought was scum.

me voting myself was only half of the situation

-What do you think of Mala voting me after calling me town, instead of her claimed scum reads? What do you think of Mala's not wanting to vote her scum read, because I was voting it?

These are the questions I was thinking about when I voted myself to L-5

What do you think about Mala moving her vote to the wagon rather than to her scum reads. What do you think about Mala's support of the two wagons?

I'm letting emotions into this read.
-snip-
I find my playstyle this game is very reactionary than proactive.

Self evaluation is town tell.

Over all Peabody appears to be reading and catching up regularly (for him). All of his posts seem to flow as though he's typing and thinking at the same time. A lot of his thought's I agree with, and nothing that he has said feels contrived or like he's trying to invent reasons for pushing one way or the other. And..

(the thing I was looking for in this post, which I don't feel had happened previously)

his response to being suspected seems fair and even: no over reaction, or hyperfocus. He actually points out things that he likes from the person that is scum reading him.

My opinion of Peabody remains the same, and further solidified. TOWN.

[Wisdom]

Nah, I was referring to 1470.

That whole wall does not even remotely feel like you think I am scum, even if you directly state you think so in it. Like, you make the point "Wisdom townreads hephaestus, weird" and then you explain how I could have been driven to that townread via having three strong scumreads. You further explain that might be the case using meta. So what's the deal, you make an accusation then you defend me from it yourself?

I can think of the following things to explain this behavior:

1) You know your arguments for me-scum are ridiculously weak, so you try to play it off like you can see why they're wrong but you're confused. That could give you cred because it appears like you're trying to figure me out but don't know how.

2) You're trying to buddy me. You think I'll see your post and go "oh, that guy totally understands how I am seeing this game. He might be town after all". The fact you mention tunnels from previous games of mine makes this even more possible, as I can't help but think that you're trying to make me think that I'm wrongly tunneling on you.

Maybe it's a mixture of both.

The reason I asked you to state whether you think I am town or scum in the first place is because it was already evident from the way you answered my accusations that you didn't think I am scum. You cared more about trying to make me stop tunneling on you and less (at all, actually) about finding some sort of scum motivation in me pushing you. So I wanted you to state that you think I am scum to prove that you're contradicting yourself.

So yup, you're scum.

[Josh_B]

I don't know. I think I may be trying to justify a reason for him being town now that I've seen his flip, or once I realized how many people were scum reading him, I tried to open my mind to the possibility that he was town which caused me to read his posts from a new perspective.

But you were still reading him as scummy after you posted about how many people were scumreading him so I guess it must be the former. Except that you were townreading him

before

the flip; so that doesn't make sense.

I don't really know how to explain it. NPAU was a Schrodinger's Cat.
Big Picture:Not Scum
Little Picture: Scum but second guessing myself according to the big picture.
Post Hoc - Oh look he was town, and I was right to second guess myself on thinking he was scum Yay

But I have a question to ask you. What's your read on Mala? I know that you've responded to some of her questions, but you really haven't presented any of your own to her.

[Wisdom]

Okay, thank you for finally sharing a detailed read on Peabody.

Now for my own interpretation on his 1446.

BBT's 1v1 vs DaveAZ doesn't look good to me. The push on Dave is based on Dave not doing a certain expected action like 'make another wagon with two days until deadline.' See, I mean, I'm shrugging at this because it's putting expectations on a specific person for a specific action when the way every poster interacts is unique. Maybe gunning for another wagon is something BBT would do, but maybe not Dave. I know it takes a while for me to develop scum reads after I townread the one I voted for.

This first part is a

direct copy

of my own stance on BBT's dave push. See 1254 for details.

I was going to vote BBT and then I saw his pointing out of Dave's townslip in 1335.

This continues to reflect my own view on BBT. I stopped pushing BBT when he pointed out that townslip. Peabody mimics it.

What do you think of BBT pointing out a possible Dave scumslip after tunnelling him?

lol->

Mala, what did you think of BBT pointing out dave's townslip?

The only difference here is Peabody was so focused on copying me that he forgot it's a townslip and called it scumslip

The explaining of why uctriton looked townier means zero to me since I already discussed it with josh and Shinobi and as far as I'm concerned Peabody is just copying the consensus for that. Too late.

The rest of his post is a waffly read on josh. He concludes he doesn't know if he should townread him or scumread him. Figures, because he really doesn't want his scumbuddy lynched but he can't afford defending him either. He's afraid it will be too suspicious.

[Wisdom]

But I'm not done yet.

Maybe because they are posturing for a Peabody lynch. Yesterday, I was on a majority of the town's TOWN list. Now I'm the target of an 'eh, I'd lynch him'. You won't be able to make anything of this until after my flip, but it may be helpful to look at the pattern now so this doesn't fall through the cracks. Especially if I'm deemed 'town' again and not lynched.

This really comes out of nowhere. Nobody other than myself is considering his lynch, and even I have moved my vote to someone else. There is zero discussion regarding a possible Peabody lynch. Yet here's Peabody, worrying about his possible getting lynched, seeing non-existent posturing about it everywhere he looks.

And then we have this:

I'm going to try to be more active so I don't have to catch up on every post. You guys are averaging like 3 pages a day. o.o

No promises, but I cannot let this game do this too me. The vast amount of information flowing is paralyzing me.

You would expect someone who wants to get back in the game and be active to actually.. try to get back in the game. The content of all those last posts together was: a) answering questions he had not answered in time, b) asking a few pointless questions with zero follow-up to Huntress, c) talk to dave about how people are supposedly conspiring to lynch him. No reads. No votes or a case on anybody. No analysis on anything that has happened (besides the BBT v dave thing, where all of his analysis were just copying mine). Nothing useful at all. And yet he's trying to be active.

[Wisdom]

So, tl;dr.

Peabody and josh are both scum.

All that remains is to find the third one. PoE currently says hephaestus, but both Peabody and Josh voting him on D1 throws me off. Though, it was safe to do so at that point in time given the large npiau and goodmorning wagons.

And a little extra I noticed while rereading earlier today: Peabody and josh replaced AssMuffin and Rambler respectively. You know, those two guys that picked up their role PMs yet chose not to post. Wonder why.

[Josh_B]

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[/gloves]

I swear to god I hope you are scum this game.
[the shortened "because wisdom" wall]
You're reads are different than mine, and I can give you a slight pass on that because you replaced in, but my opinion is that they are all wrong.

Mala and GM both seem to think you're town. I'm town and think that both of them are town. If you're town, I think one of them has tricked me.

You are tunnely dude regardless of alignment. But you're motivations are crap this game.

If I can't get support to lynch you today, I'm pretty sure town is going to lose.

[Wisdom]

Just a tip, you need a case if you want to get support. Right now it just looks like you want to subtly make people doubt me because I've figured out two scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

GM is the third scum.

[Josh_B]

josh, what did you think of my hephaestus townread?

All that remains is to find the third one. PoE currently says hephaestus, but both

Peabody and Josh voting him on D1 throws me off.

Though, it was safe to do so at that point in time given the large npiau and goodmorning wagons.

This. does not Follow. It doesn't follow anything that has happened in the game. It doesn't follow anything that you've said previously. It doesn't make sense. it throws you off because the snake oil that you're peddling is worthless and full of garbage.

p.edit. Oh nice to see you there BBT.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nice to see you to Josh.

You lied to me. I'm hurt.

[Wisdom]

What does your and Peabody's D1 vote on hephaestus have to do with 1288?

I think the point you wanted to make was "didn't you say hephaestus is town? Why are you now considering him as the third scum?". The answer to that is that he's my weakest townread which I was doubting anyway due to his failing to participate in the game like it seemed he wanted to do in the beginning of D2. My other scumreads became more town in the meanwhile, so that makes him a quite plausible third scum.

[Wisdom]

GM is the third scum.

I doubt it, but what was your case on her again?

[Josh_B]

Nice to see you to Josh.

You lied to me. I'm hurt.

LOL. I haven't lied this game at all.

[Josh_B]

What does your and Peabody's D1 vote on hephaestus have to do with 1288?

I think the point you wanted to make was "didn't you say hephaestus is town? Why are you now considering him as the third scum?". The answer to that is that he's my weakest townread which I was doubting anyway

due to his failing to participate in the game like it seemed he wanted to do in the beginning of D2

. My other scumreads became more town in the meanwhile, so that makes him a quite plausible third scum.

Is that your case against Peabody or is that your case against Hephaestus?

[Wisdom]

You lied in your first post this game ^^

pedit: That's not really a case, but it's in regard to hephaestus

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Josh,

You town?

Yep, I'm town.

This isn't a lie?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wisdom ninja'd me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's mostly due to her not doing much the entire game. I just don't feel like she has been scum-hunting at any point.

She is lurking hard.

There is also the associative to do with Josh's and Pea's late D1 play (reluctance to join the GM wagon) but that doesn't hold much water without a flip.

[Josh_B]

You lied in your first post this game ^^

pedit: That's not really a case, but it's in regard to hephaestus

Show me where I lied.
I've been trying to get Hephaestus votes all game if you are going to say I'm scum, IT'S NEVER GOING TO MAKE SENSE THAT THE ONE PERSON I'VE CALLED SCUM ALL GAME IS ON MY TEAM.

Get my town flip, and I'll show you where I haven't

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's why it's GM

[Wisdom]

She can, unfortunately, be like this as town.

Anyway, we'll care about who the third scum is after lynching the other two.

[Wisdom]

I've been trying to get Hephaestus votes all game if you are going to say I'm scum, IT'S NEVER GOING TO MAKE SENSE THAT THE ONE PERSON I'VE CALLED SCUM ALL GAME IS ON MY TEAM.

Yeah, because scum never bus. That's the same argument you made when you supported that npiau can't possibly be scum with goodmorning because he voted her.

Noope.

[Josh_B]

I've been trying to get Hephaestus votes all game if you are going to say I'm scum, IT'S NEVER GOING TO MAKE SENSE THAT THE ONE PERSON I'VE CALLED SCUM ALL GAME IS ON MY TEAM.

Yeah, because scum never bus. That's the same argument you made when you supported that npiau can't possibly be scum with goodmorning because he voted her.

Noope.

Even that was true. I'll just keep saying true things.