Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Wisdom]

Besides, you pushed hephaestus as a policy lynch. Something you knew people wouldn't agree with.

[Josh_B]

hephaestus as a policy lynch.

That's a mis-characterization. Mala accused me of it being a policy lynch. It's not something that I said. You and I actually had a conversation about it, and you told me that all things that I found scummy were actually null.
IIRC I kept telling you that your defense of Hephaestus was ad populum.

So you defended him as town, and now you are suddenly saying he's scum. He hasn't really posted anything since we started talking about it except a prod dodge.

[Wisdom]

It doesn't matter if you said it. The reasons you wanted to lynch him for were policy material. Therefore it was safe to push him.

[Josh_B]

It doesn't matter if you said it. The reasons you wanted to lynch him for were policy material. Therefore it was safe to push him.

The real point is that you are

calling me scum

and

agreeing with who I think is scum at the same time.

[Wisdom]

Yeah and I'm also proving why it was safe for you to bus him

[Josh_B]

[Wisdom]

Wonder if I'll find you bussing in your past scum games. That'd be fun.

[Wisdom]

Aaand here we go.

In this post of Micro 337, Josh-scum votes his partner and calls him scum for the rest of the game.

See BBT? That's how you catch lying scumbutts using meta.

[Josh_B]

Wonder if I'll find you bussing in your past scum games. That'd be fun.

Oh you will find bussing in my scum games. Do you want links?
One time Who got an N0 cop guilty on me and my two partners led the wagon.
One time I replaced into a game where almost all of the Town knew the whole scum team, so I tried to start arguments with my two partners.

Do you want me to go on?

[Wisdom]

Which means you're perfectly aware that scum can and do bus.

And despite that you act like it's forbidden to suspect both you and hephaestus because you've been pushing him, or that it was forbidden to consider npiau and goodmorning a scumteam.

[Josh_B]

Aaand here we go.

In this post of Micro 337, Josh-scum votes his partner and calls him scum for the rest of the game.

See BBT? That's how you catch lying scumbutts using meta.

Is that one of your favorites? the double bussing one?

[Josh_B]

Which means you're perfectly aware that scum can and do bus.

And despite that you act like it's

forbidden

unlikely due to circumstances

to suspect both you and hephaestus because you've been pushing him, or that it was

forbidden

unlikely due to circumstances

to consider npiau and goodmorning a scumteam.

Fix'd for truth.

[Wisdom]

What circumstances..?

You literally said "omg you're suspecting me and the person I'm suspecting such a contradiction"

[Peabody]

Tbh that looks like an over reaction to me

The only thing that happened was wisdom posting one sentence

If you're talking about my 1459, it wasn't supposed to act as a reply to Wisdom.

Peabody, why did you vote for NPAU?

The choice was between GoodMorning and NPAU. I didn't like either choice. There needed to be a lynch. The fast wagon on GM made me choose NPAU. Additionally, I had town reads on a majority of those voting for NPAU. The more null/scum reads were on Good Morning.

I didn't like Josh's hop onto MS near the end of deadline. I didn't like his self-vote.

What do you think I should have done? It's obvious that we took different actions. I moved my vote to someone that I thought was scum.

me voting myself was only half of the situation

-What do you think of Mala voting me after calling me town, instead of her claimed scum reads? What do you think of Mala's not wanting to vote her scum read, because I was voting it?

These are the questions I was thinking about when I voted myself to L-5

What do you think about Mala moving her vote to the wagon rather than to her scum reads. What do you think about Mala's support of the two wagons?

I'm just never a fan of self-voting. It's a WIFOM. It throws confusion into the game. It's an awesome thing if you're scum, but not so much if you're town.

As for Mala, she switched her vote based on her town vibe she got on you turning to a scum vibe. I don't blame her for the change. She does keep her vote on you for a bit while questioning others. As for her support of the two wagons, I'm a bit confused as to what you're referring to. She had a massive town read on GM. It makes sense at deadline she would vote someone who isn't GM if they are ready to be strung up.

This first part is a direct copy of my own stance on BBT's dave push. See 1254 for details.

I can't prove it, but I wrote that before I read your stance. I then acknowledged your stance when you got to it. xD

Actually, same deal with my question to Shinobi. It's what happens when you are ten pages behind.

[Peabody]

Townish

Malakittens
Shinobi
GM
Wisdom
Daveaz

BBT {I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK OF YOU}

POE pile
Josh_B
ucitron
Huntress
Hephaestus

^ Where I stand currently.

[davesaz]

POE pile? Meaning you have absolutely no true scum reads, just people who aren't town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Josh Pea?

[Peabody]

POE pile? Meaning you have absolutely no true scum reads, just people who aren't town?

Most of my reads are town reads based off of something that happened in the game. Heph, BBT, and Zebulon were all scum reads of mine at one point. I decided to put PoE pile. These reads are not solidified. I want to reexamine Heph, but it's been a long time since my suspicion, and I've been a bit paralyzed at all this info. So, no definitive scum reads yet. I'm confident they will come.

Josh's genuine frustration and his town read on me make me think town, but he's done other stuff that has puzzled me. I kinda want to put him in the pile with BBT.

Bleh, I'll sheep. I like Wisdom's response to Josh talking to him like he's town when he said Wisdom was scum earlier.

VOTE: JoshB

[Peabody]

I'm most sure of my Mala read than anything.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fantastic.

I believe that's L-1.

[goodmorning]

let me finish rereading dammit

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum don't need to read.

Choose...defend your buddy or bus him.

Go!

[beastcharizard]

Vote Count

BlueBloodedToffee(1): Josh_B
Josh_B(5): Shinobi, ucitron00, Wisdom, BlueBloodedToffee, Peabody
Hephaestus(1): davesaz

Not voting(5):Malakittens, hephaestus, gooodmorning, Huntress
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-27 20:00:00)

[goodmorning]

Scum don't need to read.

Choose...defend your buddy or bus him.

Go!

Everyone needs to read. Why are you trying to rush a lynch?

[Peabody]

Oh. Looking at the vote count and who is on the wagon, I need to do serious re-evaluation of my townreads if Josh is town.