Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Town don't tunnel?

I don't see how Shinobi is scum from his interaction with Uct, can you elaborate?

I'll look up that contradiction.

Have you thought of asking him for his reads?

[Wisdom]

Town do tunnel. Not my point.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You said he has spent the day tunnelling Josh, as if that somehow makes him scum. When it doesn't.

That 'contradiction' doesn't make Shinobi scum either.

I'm not a fan of Shinobi's play at all this game. He has basically played the 'lazy' card for the entirety of the game so far. I could certainly see him being scum, however, he is not a priority right now. There are scummier people to look at.

I need to review Uct because he has completely flew under my radar for this whole game.

[Wisdom]

You said he has spent the day tunnelling Josh, as if that somehow makes him scum. When it doesn't.

It does. Townies try to get reads. Shinobi has done nada.

[Wisdom]

I'm not a fan of Shinobi's play at all this game. He has basically played the 'lazy' card for the entirety of the game so far. I could certainly see him being scum, however, he is not a priority right now. There are scummier people to look at.

Translation: hi I'm bbt and I'm Shinobi's scumbuddy

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Haha, nice try Wisdom.

Once again, your reads are pretty bad and I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that Shinobi is the scummiest player in this game when just a couple of pages ago you were dead-set on Josh and Pea.

[Wisdom]

Reads change man, too bad.

If I'm so wrong, then wagon Shinobi with me, if only just to pressure him. What do you have to lose if you're town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm beginning to get the feeling you're role fishing.

You have left Josh alone since he claimed VT.

Tell me why your reads have changed so drastically on Josh and Pea?

[Wisdom]

It's a system I've started recently to fight off my tunneling. I reread considering my suspects being town, and see how much that makes sense. If it does, I look for new suspects.

As to what triggered it, I already explained what I didn't like from Shinobi and you the last few pages.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you explain what lead you to believe both Josh and Pea are town?

[Huntress]

Town: Mala, GM, Wisdom
Maybe town: Heph, Dave
Not sure: BBT, Peabody, Josh
Scum: Uctriton, Shinobi

Main changes are Dave moving up to maybe town and BBT moving down.
Peabody seems too conscious of what people think of him and there are a few things that bother me about him, most of which have already come up in the thread. I didn't particularly like 1517 and it's follow-up 1524.
Josh is a bit of an enigma to me. I get the feeling that he is playing hard to get.
Wisdom is town mainly because I had a town read on MS and I haven't seen anything from Wisdom that makes me think otherwise.
GM is town because she doesn't seem at all worried about how she is viewed and I don't think she would have risked leaving the hammer so late as scum. (Yes, I know that's debatable but that's my thought on it.)
What I've seen so far of Heph seems townish and the lurking isn't a scum tell for him so that's more of a wait and see read.

But I have a question to ask you. What's your read on Mala? I know that you've responded to some of her questions, but you really haven't presented any of your own to her.

I have a town read on Mala. I haven't questioned her much, apart from in 720, because I didn't feel the need to.

[Wisdom]

It's more "they can be town" than "they are town". I read their posts again and decided that even if they're quirky and antitown as hell, I can accept them coming from town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Huntress, why is Uct scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's more "they can be town" than "they are town". I read their posts again and decided that even if they're quirky and antitown as hell, I can accept them coming from town.

How? Give me specifics.

What specifically made you think they could be town?

[Wisdom]

I think I was quite clear already. You're doing your "repeat question a million times" again and I don't care to let you continue.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You haven't given me specifics. Silly.

You keep recycling the same generic answer.

[Wisdom]

Meanwhile, you're still avoiding voting Shinobi

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meanwhile, you have no reasons for believing Shinobi to be scum and continue to role-fish.

[Wisdom]

It's cute how you defend Shinobi while calling him maybe scum.

Caught scum are cute in general

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not defending Shinobi. I'm trying to understand why you think he is the scummiest player in the game.

[Wisdom]

I don't remember calling him that. I already told you, the scummiest people are not necessarily scum.

As to why he is scum, I already gave my reasons.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't see how Shinobi is scum from his interaction with Uct, can you elaborate?

It does. Townies try to get reads. Shinobi has done nada.

Do they? Has GM been trying to get reads? Has Uct been trying to get reads? Why is Shinobi scummier than those two in that respect?

As to what triggered it, I already explained what I didn't like from Shinobi and you the last few pages.

Are you saying Josh and Pea looked townier upon re-read, or myself and Shinobi looked scummier?

You need to make up your mind and be clear.

It's more "they can be town" than "they are town". I read their posts again and decided that even if they're quirky and antitown as hell, I can accept them coming from town.

What about their posts made you think they were town?

[Wisdom]

I'm quite clear already, but okay

I.didn't like Shinobi.and you the last few pages. Already said why.

This triggered a hard reset.

I then saw josh and pea could be town. It's not "I saw something town", it's "I accepted their posts don't necessarily come from scum."

Uctriton and goodmorning have been trying to get reads, yes. Off the top of my head, goodmorning pregressed her ms scumread into a Wisdom townread and uctriton tried to read Shinobi off their exchange. Those are just examples, I can iso them and provide more later.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's pretty poor reasoning for the change in reads.

Shinobi engaged Uct in that conversation, therefore, it was Shinobi trying to get the read, not Uct.

Try again?

[Wisdom]

Nope, see the exchange again. Uctriton wanted a case, asked questions, Shinobi kept dodging.