Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My original read on mala was based on legitimate effort from her, which is too much for a scum to be going through IMO

What do you think about the quote below Uct?

Malakittens

- I played a game with her recently where she relied heavily on meta, but ended up as scum. I don't know how a town-Mala plays yet.

[Wisdom]

Josh gave 96 hours before his intention to self-hammer. So we had 4 days, with Josh under good pressure at L-1 (which is what you say you wanted) but you unvoted straight away. Why? You relieved a lot of the pressure on someone you wanted supposedly wanted there to be pressure on.

I wanted pressure on him when I voted him. When he was at L-1 I was already done reading him.
The 96 hours he gave are irrelevant. If he was scum, he could self-hammer at any point.

You have not pushed Pea hard. I haven't seen you trying to build his wagon up. You have always made sure your attention is focused on two things when it involves Pea.

My attention is on getting reads. Pea was not here to further engage him.

You haven't attacked many people. You have attacked Josh and attacked Pea. Is there anybody else you have attacked to the same level?

You and Shinobi.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No comments on the distraction fallacy you tried to push?

Or the fact you tried to misrep me when I was asking you not to get involved with me and Dave?

Your reasons for not allowing Josh (as scum) to self-hammer are just laughable. There had been more than enough time, and discussion, for the game to move forward.

Me and Shiobi...not sure if you're being serious...

Your case on me is 'scum-vibes' and you haven't pushed me at all. I am engaging you, don't act like you're the one trying to gain a read.

You've pushed Shinobi a little, granted. Let's see where that goes.

[Wisdom]

I don't care to continue this exchange.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Figures.

Votes on Wisdom please.

If not, tell me why not or present a better case on somebody else.

[Wisdom]

You're incredibly talented in making people demotivated to play.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

AtE?

[goodmorning]

I was trying to think of some polite way to say, "then stop shitting up the thread while I'm in class, christ on a unicycle" but politeness escapes me at the moment..

What? How am I 'shitting' up the thread? At least I'm trying to solve the fucking game. So many people are jus coasting/lurking/cba it's ridiculous

I don't see as much "solving" from you as I have in the past. I do see a bit of "this is how the game is, deal with it" but that's not the same thing at all.

Wisdom is definitely Town though, so...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meta, haha. No comment.

Wisdom is definitely town. OK. Elaborate.

[Wisdom]

Please don't, goodmorning. Just ignore this guy and catch up. I'm tired of having nobody to talk to.

[goodmorning]

@Toffee: I'm on a 5-game streak of correctly reading Wisdom. I'll grant that he was gone for a while, but I feel pretty good about it. I'll probably have a small paranoid meltdown in a little bit, but I feel OK about it right now.

Why is everyone's play so diametrically opposite D1 vs D2? I'm having a really hard time reconciling any of my reads between days.

That said, my current reads:
Town (L>G): Malakittens, Josh_B, Peabody, dave, Wisdom
Null (S>T): Shinobi, ucitron00, Huntress
Scum (G>L): BlueBloodedToffee, hephaestus

LET'S TALK

[Wisdom]

Caught up?

Why is Shinobi null and not scum? Like your reads otherwise

[BlueBloodedToffee]

GM, that in no way tells me why Wisdom is town.

I'm kind of glad people are scum-reading me, I was beginning to get worried that my town-play was too transparent. I'm even happier that people are scum-reading me based on meta.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, I'm willing to sheep almost anyone onto almost any wagon.

I won't sheep Wisdom or Pea. I might sheep GM or Josh.

I won't vote Huntress.

My vote is yours when you need it.

Go!

[goodmorning]

Caught up?

Why is Shinobi null and not scum? Like your reads otherwise

Shinobi is more of a lean-Scum than full Scum for me. Mainly it's the contrast between his case against Josh and Toffee's on dave; "why did Josh get off the wagon?" is a much better question than "why didn't dave try to start a new wagon?"
A few of his later D1 posts also give me some pause.
Then there's that I'm not so certain that 2 Scum would make such a similar argument, and I'm more inclined to think Toffee is Scum than Shinobi (though associatives before flips are not particularly valid).

I keep forgetting this, but Toffee didn't ask me about 1277. I don't know why it bothers me so much but it really does.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do I need to ask you about?

[goodmorning]

I have so many problems with that question.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I see no reason to ask you about 1277.

[goodmorning]

Then don't.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fantastic.

I'm officially bored with this game.

I shall now spend my time prodging until we get to deadline and everyone wants to rush to a lynch.

Ciao!

[Peabody]

HEY BBT,

DO YOU SCUMREAD DAVE OR NOT? (I asked this four times now.)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Pea,

I think the answer to your question is in this thread.

Go look.

[Peabody]

It's not.

[Peabody]

I want to know your current thoughts. Since Dave, you've been focusing Josh and then Wisdom. Is Dave scum now?

[uctriton00]

Now that mod linked the timeline for me on the opening post (sorry didn't notice you did it already, thanks mod!)

@Josh

The hammer was particularly suspect.

But during this time you said I was a bad choice for a lynch. I hammered though; wouldn't I be suspect?