In post 1086, Kthxbye wrote:@Anatole andPlease explain how you all think I'm scum after D1 and D2 results? Specifically, explain what my motivation is to get DDD lynched yesterday when it looked like we'd be lynching Anatole or myself instead before that. Anatole, I'm very interested in your response seeing as you say you're town and you were on the chopping block yesterday. Why would scum me push for DDD's lynch over your lynch if you're town?Jingle:
p.edit:How can you say I'm scum by play when you obviously care about VCA and yesterdays VCA says I'm assuredly not scum? Why do I push DDD over Anatole yesterday? Unless all 3 of us are scum in your mind (which you stated you don't see how that's possible), me being scum and pushing a bus on DDD over a town-Anatole wagon makes absolutely no sense if I'm scum. Answer this on top of the above questioning.
The bottom is also addressed to you since...you know...my p.edit came directly after your post.
Now, let's pick apart your "case" to show how bad it is.
-my p322 is in fact not a weak vote. If you read the context, you'll see his complete refusal to answer my question with some (and now we know why...he was scum) bs reason about handing me a cheat sheet of what he's looking for....
-my p406. Oh, wow, town NEVER changes votes with the new shiney. Oh, and look, that was about the time the DDD wagon dissipated. He went from L-1, to L-2 with ABR's unvote in p400, to L-3 with Bert's unvote in p402. If I'm going to go for a 'bus my buddy' tactic you say you think I'm doing, wouldn't it be better for me to continue to bus my buddy?
-read my p658, read shadowwez p657. This 'point' in the case is just a flat out lie. Nice try.
-the PROOF is in the above questions you failed to acknowledge or answer.
-my p839 is a statement of confidence in my read not a slip of knowledge of scum. Also, as ABR pointed out, ika did the same thing. Is ika know my scum buddy because he 'knew DDD would flip scum'?
Your case is, as pointed out, completely full of holes. Anyone could find a million different examples of townies saying and doing the same things. Wanna know why? Cuz that's town play.
-MC (largely due to riding directly under any radar and VCA)
-Anatole/Rogue/MC would be where I look.
I have ABR (although he's being stupid right now), Wolfy, and surprisingly shadowez as hard town right now. Null on you (although you're being dumb too if you're town).
Let's look at some facts. We have a scum flip which was goon. We have absolutely zero proof that scum have a healing PR. We have the idea that scum COULD be healers too, which is completely stupid and OP from a pure game mechanics view. And we have Jingle completely unable to answer my questions b/c he can't explain his reasons without looking scummy or completely backtracking. He's going to push my lynch the rest of the day and if town follow it, well, I have no hope for a town win.
I also feel like I need to spell out why I highly doubt scum have a healing PR.
Let's take when Beck (confirmed town) got sick. Let's say due to the randomness of chance, scum does have a healing power and that is the power that cures Beck. Scum, knowing Beck is town, simply don't cure him. Beck dies and scum just got a free kill for doing nothing. I do NOT see the MOD allowing this possibility.
Now, let's say I'm right and town have the healing powers and someone with the right power to cure Beck thinks he's scum. That townie refuses to use his power and Beck dies. THIS is how I see the game setup and strategy being employed in this game.
In one scenario, scum get a kill do to happenstance and it has nothing to do with reads/skill of playing the game. In the second scenario, town uses reads/skill of playing the game to either save a fellow townie (who they don't KNOW is town) or condemn them.
Next topic, I just found this while telling scum-Jingle just how bad his case is.
In post 404, Anatole Kuragin wrote:DDD's last post looks townie. Kthx, wolf, shadow, or mantis should be the lynch candidates today.
Town, town-read, town-read, conf town. Those were Anatole's lynch candidates. Even a blind squire finds a nut and I'm not seeing him find a single one in that post. I could be wrong on wolf or shadow, but I'm feeling pretty confident in those reads.
If the remaining town can't see the logic in my post and specifically, can't see how I turned a possible not lynching of DDD to a lynch of confirmed scum DDD around yesterday as town play, well, there's no more I can do. If Jingle isn't scum, then I think it almost has to be Anatole. Willing to lynch either one today.
tldr; Jingle is scummy due to not being able to answer my questioning of his 'read' on me in relation to how yesterday led to a scum lynch and Anatole is scummy for his actions D1 and that little gem of a post of his I quoted above. I will say that I don't think both are scum.
